Foreign-Trained Doctors Kept Out of Practice in US

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The Jefferson Reaves community health center in Miami provides care to people who cannot afford it elsewhere. The clinic helps patients control diabetes, treats colds, gives vaccines, and offers other sorts of general care.

Dr. Robert Schwartz, who trains young physicians at the clinic, said it has become difficult to find doctors willing to practice this kind of medicine.

“There’s been a significant decline of medical students who are interested in family medicine,” he said. “I see this as an enormous challenge to the delivery of care.”

The United States suffers from a shortage of primary care physicians, and the problem is expected to worsen. America’s baby boom generation is aging, and health care reform could put greater demands on doctors as more Americans gain medical insurance.

A potential solution to the physician shortage would be to allow more foreign-trained doctors to work in the United States. In fact, thousands of such doctors are ready to step in, but some say the system is stacked against them.

Wilson Questa practiced family medicine in Colombia before moving to the United States five years ago. “Medicine is my passion,” he said. Questa would like to practice in America, but he cannot. “I don’t have any type of license,” he explained.

For a doctor trained abroad, getting a license in the US requires several things. First, the physician must to take board exams and an English language test. Questa passed those tests quickly.

Second, a foreign-trained physician must go through a residency program. For Questa, that requirement has proved difficult. He has applied for hundreds of residency positions, but so far he has not been offered one.

Residency positions

If Questa had been trained in the United States, he likely would have been accepted for a residency position. Among doctors who went to medical school in the US, nearly 95 percent of those who apply for residencies get one. Yet for doctors trained in other countries, fewer than 40 percent of those who apply for a US residency are accepted.

About 10,000 international medical school graduates are in the US and are trying to practice here but cannot. Questa considers the residency system unfair, biased against people like him.

“If you have the same knowledge as a graduate from the United States, I don’t see any difference,” Questa said. “We are going to give the same level of care as any other doctor.”

But residency programs do not just consider talent when offering slots to doctors.

Prof. Fitzhugh Mullan of George Washington University School of Medicine studies the global migration of doctors. He said there are several reasons why US residency programs prefer US graduates.

“A doctor in almost every country in the world is a product of the taxpayers or the tax base of that country,” Mullan explained.

Because governments spend money on medical education, countries want a return on their investment. For that reason, he said, it is appropriate for US residency programs to select US graduates over those from foreign countries. On the flip side, Mullan said that if the US made it easy for foreign doctors to work here, that would be unfair to other countries.

“Should we count on the government of India or the government of the Philippines or the government of Colombia to train our doctors?” Mullan asked. “[That] isn’t good for the countries who are losing their doctors to the United States.”

As things stand, many counties are already losing their doctors to the US. Although foreign-trained doctors have trouble getting residencies here, some succeed. 
In fact, a quarter of the doctors currently practicing in the US were trained abroad.

Dependent on foreign doctors

Some health analysts would like to see the US become less dependent on foreign doctors. And soon it will be. With new medical schools being built across the US and existing schools expanding, the number of American medical graduates is expected to jump 30 percent in the next decade. That may provide enough US-trained doctors to meet the country’s needs.

Yet Colombian doctor Wilson Questa says he won’t give up trying to practice here. He did not get a single interview for a residency this year, but he recently landed a job at a pediatric clinic – in the billing department.

“Even though when I come [to the clinic] I don’t see any patients,” Questa said, “at least [when] I wake up in the morning, I say, ‘okay, I have to be ready to go to the medical office to work.’”

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75 comments for “Foreign-Trained Doctors Kept Out of Practice in US”

  • Anonymous

    Why you are going to wait (and pay more) to see a doctor.
    No, it is not ObamaCare, or Medicare or socialized medicine; it is good old supply and demand. There are simply less doctors available for an older, growing population.
    This is not news to anyone in Medical education. US medical schools have expanded classes, accepted more students and built satellite schools to prepare for the increased demand, but The US licenses the same number of doctors every year — the same number since 1996. It doesn’t matter how many we graduate, it matters how many complete a residency and that number is stuck. In 1996 the Congress locked the number of residents at 20, 583 for a population of 250 million, or one new resident for 12,594 people. This number has remained locked (although some reallocation has allowed a few new residencies). Current population is 304 Million, with 22,809 residency positions, or one per 13, 328.
    The AMA has taken a position that the US needs 20,000 new residencies immediately to meet the coming demand. The American Hospital Association is advocating 30,000. But we are getting Zero. And each year we delay, it gets worse, because even if the slots were created today it will take 3-4 years before the new positions will have any effect on the overall number of doctors.
    In the state of Kentucky, conservative estimates show the state needs 2000 more doctors each year. The medical schools in the state will graduate nearly 400 medical students this year, and even more over the next several years, since the schools have ramped up to fill an ever increasing shortage. But the State only has 252 Resident positions, which means many Kentucky graduates go off to be licensed in other states.
    Part of the shortfall could be absorbed by using Physician Assistants and Nurse Practitioners, but there are even less training opportunities for these professions. Another problem is that all fifty states have standardized the license requirement for PA using the examination from the National Commission on Certification of Physician’s Assistants. While I am in favor of national standards, the NCCPA will only allow students who graduate from specific PA schools to take the test, to be licensed. There are over 6000 US citizens and Permanent residents with full medical certifications, graduates of international medical schools, who are fully qualified to begin residencies, but due to the shortage would be willing to work as PA’s but cannot because their 4-6 year medical educations is not considered as complete as a 2 year PA school.
    I am one of these foreign trained physicians. I have passed all my licensing exams, but I cannot get a residency position. I have applied to several Physician’s Assistant Schools, but have been informed that they do not want to “waste” the position on someone already trained. I even inquired into US medical school, but I have a hard time convincing myself to go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt to study to pass license exams I have already passed. I would gladly pay for a refresher course, or advanced clinical training, if it existed. As it is, I may soon have to take my Bulgarian medical license and go elsewhere to practice. I have been in America for ten years and soon hope to be a citizen. I love this country and would like to be part of the healthcare solution.
    Dr. Neviana Dimova.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZF27DP5RBLSLVVVYO7B2TTO3E Jessica Stefanov

      Did you ever get your residency? I am a US citizen, and my husband is Bulgarian. I am interested in attending medical school at Sofia University in Bulgaria.

      • Anonymous

        Dear Mrs. Stefanov, I have been working since lat year on helping foreign trained doctors get residency in USA. My facebook group “Residency Ready Physicians” is already 311 members. Your husband and you are welcome to join . Many of our members have already signed prematch offers. Personally I have already interviewed and I am waiting for March 12 match result hoping to have matched to my top choice program. If I have matched my residency will be starting in June/July this year. good luck

    • Jeremy Lazatin

      dr. dimova

      i am a medical student studying in a medical school in asia, :)  like you, medicine is my passion, my boyfriend and i have plans that i move to the US with him. i am doubtful if i can get into medical practice once i finish a degree in medicine cause people said that it is indeed hard to get in. i dont want to have problems with loans. i learned that the US does not accept transferees. how about the odds of getting into a medical school? i tried looking into physician assistants, it it possible for me to challenge the exam if i am a foreign graduate? what are the odds of getting in a residency and to get matched?  i am an rn, he said i can practice it in the us but i dont want to turn my back on medicine… 

      • Anonymous

         Can you email me. My email is ndimova@hotmail.com

        • patientc59

           My nephew just finished medical school  from Ross university in the carribean. He passed all his test but did not have high scores. His grades during rotation were terrific. he prematched for 1 year  in the US hoping to get a 2& 3 year open near him. he did not match for 2&3 year. What does he do now? He is very thankful for the 1st year residency, but does he apply for 2&3 next year or for 3 more years? can he work in some other capacitiy if he does not match 2&3 somewhere? I don’t like to ask him this stuff but I would like to understand the process. Thank you for your comments, knowlege and advice.

          • http://twitter.com/raayaaaa raya

            Tell you cousin to visit residency ready physicians on facebook.  He is not alone. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QX2JVMNP5FANZ24EP2YMUTGM7U rahul

      One point you are missing is corruption. There are many ECFMG certified doctors in USA who are either permanent resident or citizens, i.e., who don’t need any kind of visa. But yet these doctors go unmatched/ without residency every year when around 4000 J1/H1B visa’s are sponsored by these corrupt residency programs. Yes these programs accept bribes in thousands of dollars and sell the residency positions.

      • horizon106

        I would like to see your EVIDENCE that “these corrupt residency programs accept bribes in thousands of dollars and sell residency positions.”

        Dude, this isn’t INDIA. I think you are in the wrong country. Honestly, if you hate our system so much, why don’t you go back?

        • Jesuswilldo

          Sir, you are misjudging Rahul. He does not show any evidence and you know you can’t prove the contrary either but you know there are interests and corruption everywhere in the world. This is not a place for hate and express your rampant discrimination, this is about helping this wonderful country to be better and have a better healthcare. Scientist from others countries don’t come here to make you more stupid but to make your life significantly healthy and enjoyable. And I am not from India.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

             please do not Sir him, you need to deal with his level.

        • ndimova

           Here, residency positions sold to Saudi Arabia http://www.sacm.org/ http://www.sacm.org/MedicalUnit/PDF/Accepted%20Students%202010-2011.pdf   153 good residency positions  for each paid $85,000 plus their salaries. Is that good enough

        • ndimova

          There is a great deal
          of anecdotal evidence that doctors taking the USMLE exams outside the United
          States may be receiving improper assistance and access to actual test question
          in advance of the test. Even in this country there is evidence of attempt to
          cheat the system:

          http://www.fbi.gov/newark/press-releases/2011/optima-university-owners-charged-with-stealing-test-questions-from-medical-licensing-exam
          An interesting question to ask NRMP is what happened with those test-takers
          that got 99/99 scores using “the help” of this company. Did their
          USMLE exams and scores were canceled and their ECFMG certificate revoked. Did
          their residency contract was canceled and they were fired from they are fired
          from residency for cheating. I hope ECFMG and NRMP can clarify those questions.
           

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

          DUDE, GET LOST, YOU DUMB, INDIA IS 10000000 BETTER THAN YOUR SLAVING SYSTEM,  PLEASE, DO NOT  DIE AS A BRAINLESS DONKEY, MAKE SOME IMPROVMENT .  can  you figuer out  who is  you real enemy, you bum, go flush  your self in any toilet.

        • Bryan Waite

          The only reason you are so ignorant is because you ARE an American.  I’ve worked in the medical field here for YEARS and as an American I can tell you, what this man says is true – so get off your high horse.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

        Dear friend  trust me this America owend by at most 20 bastard. do not cry  they have no feelings , if you can piss on them and leave , may be your chance  somewhere out of this place , look around you in their fancy hospitals , do you see or feel any taste of human life , it is a doggy dog world , just an illusion : they are the best , they own every bank and own you too. a mafia organized system, and after all that running you are bankrupted , it is a CASINO system , wake up and piss on them with dignity, trust in GOD and not those Gambinni mafia.

        Leonard Giovanni   MD

    • Jesuswilldo

      You are my twin. Twelve years in USA, almost a US citizen, physician trained abroad, stuck in the middle of the PA School’s answers and the consideration of 6 years MD education abroud not considered as complete as a 2 years PA school. There should be a program to prepare foreign physicians to become PA and begin to solve the shortfall we have.
      I love this country, my wife and children are americans, I pay taxes, I created business with american employes, with american products, but this situation of the american healtcare is sadly absurd.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

      a reminder to prof Fitz Mullan who is saying a doctors are a products of taxpayer money….NO …stop fooling around, a doctor bowrrow from the JEW banker who in the first place created collecting taxes, then they loan it to doctors  , it is a system created  by the devil himself, so please enough with your nonsense.  anyway  this illusional money system or more accuretly  slavery  system is finished  since 1929, you just  steal  other nation money, give it 3 years  your  dollars worth cents, it is coming and to hell with your loathing residency .

      l feel  sorry for most of the american , the JEW really , steering you  like a big dumb ox, every war you intered was carefuly pland for you,

      this medical business  is  owend by them,  no wounder most of them are prof  in all  medicals field,  are  the  smarter  than others?  No  just  there  family  own the loaning bank, get it ,  same as  owning  the film industry ,  and  you still brag about a doggy dog medical slavery.

      I feel  sad for those FMG  go work in hell  , at  least you do not stuck with the jews.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sajeet-Sohi/28111695 Sajeet Sohi

    The physician shortage is becoming a complicated issue. I myself as an International Medical Graduate look towards the 2012 match for Internal Medicine. I have looked at the issue, I have written an opinion piece on the issue. I think what is need is a standardized basic sciences education and to utilize the new organizations in health care reform to increase residency positions. The link is as below:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/51768704/International-Medical-Graduates-A-Possible-Solution-to-the-Expected-Physician-Shortage

    I would wish all International Graduates the best of luck so they will achieve their goals.

    Dr. Sajeet Sohi MD

  • Anonymous

    My very dear friend immigrated to the US in 2001 and became a citizen in 2008. She was a practicing physician in her native country for 9 years prior to immigrating. Since her arrival, she has yearned to return to the practice of medicine to provide medical care to the underserved — her passion. She jumped through all of the required hoops: received her ECFMG certification, which included passing Steps 1 & 2 of the USMLE; took and passed Step 3 of the USMLE (generally taken by graduates of U.S. medical schools during their first year of residency); worked on cancer research teams, authored and co-authored papers on study results; volunteered at clinics, and completed an externship program at a local psychiatric hospital. She participated in the Match for 4 consecutive years, but to no avail. Now, her opportunity to resume her career has faded. Yes, the competition is keen and residency slots are limited. But, there is more to the story. Most US residency programs will only accept recent graduates of medical school — e.g., within the last 3 to 5 years.

    There are even some accredited physician assistant(PA)programs that will not allow a medical doctor to apply to their program. This seems to be due to false assumptions — i.e., that such an applicant would not be willing to work under the supervision of a medical doctor and/or expects an MD’s salary. This is a false stereotype. Their interest in the profession is as noble as any other applicant; probably more noble!

    All PA and nursing programs require completion of specified prerequisites prior to application and/or admission — most, if not all of which, are redundant to courses already taken in medical school. No PA or Nursing program permits a medical doctor to apply to be deemed to have completed their program, conditioned on taking and passing the requisite certification examination. If the applicant does not pass the certification exam, then they must complete the program. If the applicant passes, then the program would award the certificate of completion.

    What a lost asset!

    • Suhail Khan

      Every applicant thinks they deserve a spot, but the reality is that they may not be as competitive as they perceive.  I have interviewed many applicants and can tell you that completion of medical school and exams is not the end all and be all.   Personality, grasp of the english language and making a strong impression play a larger role.  I practice in a rural area and I do keep in mind which applicants will stay and better my community and which will leave when done.  
      Most bitter people on here need to realize they are not entitled to practice anywhere they wish, it is a privilege and at times luck.  

      • Anonymous

        Nothing about what I wrote even intimated that my friend felt a sense of entitlement or that she thought she “deserved” a spot.  She practiced in public clinics in her native country for 9 years treating the less fortunate –promoted to supervise one of those clinics because her patients raved to the senior administrators about the quality of compassionate care she provided.  While in medical school, she volunteered to work alongside a team of doctors, specialists, and psychiatrists to provide medical treatment and care to the wounded and other individuals and families affected by the war her country was engaged in at the time.  She arrived here speaking virtually no English & within 2 years took & passed step 1 of the USMLE — then taking &  passing the remaining two steps soon after.  She held no illusions of the difficulty. She just didn’t think it would be impossible.  NRMP data reports show that well under 50% of foreign medical graduates have been able to get into a U.S. residency program; whereas over 90% of U.S. medical school seniors successfully matched.  I assure you that it ISN’T because U.S. medical students are better trained, more studious, or  more adept.  Frankly, if it were possible, I would select my friend as my primary physician in a heartbeat. Her heart is in medicine, providing quality direct patient care; it is all she has ever wanted to do — not for the money, but because of her humanity; and she knows her stuff. 

        • Anonymous

          Dear ERG2, We have started a facebook group “Residency Ready Physicians” (311 members) particularly for people like your friend (myself being in a very similar situation as her). Additionally I have also attempts on all steps not including Step 1 and have retaken Steps 1,2 and 3, 11 years after I took them when I first came to this country. I also got rejections from PA schools, probably for the same reason and also have tons of research/publications, and participated in multiple matches, being unmatched, yet this year I interviewed and I am hoping to match in March

          • Anonymous

            Thank you for the information about the facebook group “Residency Ready Physicians.” Please be advised that per http://www.usmle.org/frequently-asked-questions/ , that retakes of any of the USMLE steps is only available to those who failed a test.  My friend passed all three steps — see copy and paste below from site give above: 

            “Can I retake a Step that I passed to raise my score?

            No. If you pass a Step, you are not allowed to
            retake it, except to comply with the time limit of a medical licensing
            authority for the completion of all Steps or a requirement imposed by
            another authority recognized by the USMLE program. See USMLE Bulletin: Eligibility – Retakes.”

            She also had several interviews with different programs, but did not match.  I hope you successfully match!

          • Anonymous

            Dear Erg2, Yes I have retaken steps 1 and 2 CK. and then successfully passed step 3 on this 6 attempt (retaking all the other steps helped with that too as I was advised.) Exactly under the exception “to comply with the time limit of a medical licensing authority for the completion of all Steps or a requirement imposed by Residency Program” under Ohio State board in 2008-2009. I remember that to have been at the time exception #4. On the topic of interviewing….we have in our facebook group a Psychology Doctor who is training us how to interview ….and many other things I can tell you that might help…my email is ndimova@hotmail.com

          • Anonymous

            Thanks again.  I will let my friend know.  I think three items went against her chance for acceptance into a residency program.  First, she is not a recent medical school graduate — graduated in 1990, practiced for 9 years, before moving here in 2000.  This limited the choices of residency program applications.  Too many programs stipulate that only recent graduates may apply — usually within the last 5 years (sometimes 7 years, tops).  Second, she passed all 3 steps, but did not have top scores — scored below 80 on all 3 steps.  This further limited her residency application choices.  Third, it seems you need STELLAR LORs — from well-known people in the medical world.  She had outstanding LORs but not from well-known people. Medicine is her heart and soul.  She was so VERY eager to resume practicing medicine that she took Step 1 almost immediately upon arriving in the US, not giving herself enough time to acclimate, while also concurrently caring for her then 6 year old daughter.  Now, she is working about 55 hours a week as a CNA, paid an hourly wage that barely enables her to support herself and her (now) 2 children.  (Her husband has been unemployed.)  Yet, despite this, she holds her head high & still looks forward to the possibility of going thru another kind of education/training program  in the medical field that will enable her to earn a better living for herself and her children.  

          • Anonymous

            You have mentioned that she had interviews. Once you had interview you are on equal footing with everybody else on that day. The scores, LOR’s, well written personal statement, clinical experience …..are only for them to invite you. Once you are there it is up to you to shine and show the best of you to be ranked highly. And for that you have to be trained how to smile, handshake, talk, etc…(my personal experience). I was told among many other things that my handshake is too floppy and my eyebrows needs waxing. …I have missed that last shot years ago when I interviewed with my low scores and my J1 at the time, three times. I wish I had somebody to teach me that and I knew what I have done wrong.  I have seen so many doctors miss that last shot.

        • AllanB57

          Why shouldn’t US citizens who are US trained not be given preference in training program?

          • ERG2

             She is a U.S. citizen.  Entered as a lawful permanent resident; became a citizen 5 years later

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QX2JVMNP5FANZ24EP2YMUTGM7U rahul

            Yes US citizens who trained in US should be given first preference for residency positions. Then whom should we give second preference:
            1. ECFMG certified physicians who are US Citizens/ Permanent residents but received their medical degree from a foreign country. 
            OR
            2. International medical graduates who need J1/H1B visa

          • horizon106

            Agreed, #1. Good Point.

          • http://www.facebook.com/brent.abshier Brent Abshier

            i am not a physician, or anything close.. my girlfriend is a physician in Ukraine. I dont care where a doctor is from or trained..I want the best care. From what i have seen U.S. doctors are in for money. I got the best care abroad that i have ever had. residency should be void. The skills are what counts. As is with my profession (auto technician) doesnt matter where you come from..it matters what is your craft

        • horizon106

          Ok, select your friend as your primary care physician. And you say, “her heart is medicine.” If her heart is medicine, then she should be perfectly happy practicing anywhere in the world (if not the US) and be happy doing it. 

          So…obviously, her “heart” is not medicine. It is “coming to the US.”

          • ERG2

             Sorry, but your statement must be the result of a bad day for you — otherwise I would have no choice but to conclude that you are crass.  You know NOTHING about her personal circumstances.  She moved to the U.S. to join her husband who has been living in the US for decades and who she met & married during his prolonged visit to her country of origin.

          • Jesuswilldo

            Dear ERG2, it is not a result of a bad day but a result of bad education. Do not waste your kind words with someone so irrespectful. Thank you for all your valuable comments and information.

          • Jesuswilldo

            Her heart you don’t know for sure but I am almost sure is Medicine. But also coming to this country of blessings (where everyone is an immigrant but the Sioux, Cheyenne and rest of aborigins that were here before Mayflower) is a great possibility for the nation to receive a benefit from a highly qualified scientist, whatever the country he/she may come. (Names to refresh you? Von Braun, Tesla, Graham Bell, Einstein, etc.) This country has grown also based on foreign science men and women that complied with the american laws and decided to perform the best they can to make America greater. I can guess two things from your words: With all due respect, you are a racist american indian (they are not racists so you would be the first I meet) or none of your ancestors are from abroad. It means you are from (no)-where? Please make sure your comments are respectful to all the Community here, this is America, no Chaosland, sir.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

           Dr.Khan   should  have never left Pakistan. he came  her  for  money, and you are telling him  about  humanity,  he is deaf  collecting coins,
          while  the  RUTHCHILD  taxing  his  butt  40%. out there  in  the rural areas  of  america.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

        Mr. Khan  you  should have never left  Pakistan,  lf you are  as competitive as my  dear  DR. NAJEEB  ,  I WILL let  your pungent remarks pass.

        this  life  is  luck  more  than hard work,  and the  meaning of luck  is  really
        expandable   as  i can feel it  in  your  case.

    • Anonymous

      Thank you for the very helpful information and excellent point. Could you please share any of resolutions or suggestions. I am shocked that there is NO program/school/institution permitting a medical doctor to apply to be deemed to take PA certification exam (or whatever). 

      Thank you!

      • Anonymous

        In 2010, I wrote to the Executive Director of the Accreditation Review
        Commission on Education for the Physician Assistant, Inc. (ARC-PA) (the
        organizational body that authorized to accredit qualified PA educational
        programs leading to the professional credential, Physician Assistant (PA)). I
        asked whether a person with a demonstrated level of proficiency such as a
        Foreign Medical Graduate (FMG) with ECFMG certification who passed all 3 steps
        of the USMLE could be deemed eligible to have completed at least an
        accredited baccalaureate PA program or even a master’s degree PA program, &
        thus be able to proceed directly to taking the certifying examination
        administered by the NCCPA. He advised that this is a program issue &
        needs to be discussed directly with each program. I followed-up by replying
        that it does little to no good to discuss this directly with each program if the
        accreditation review commission does not recognize, allow, or accept program
        proficiency completion. I also wrote to U.S. senators and congressman for my
        State on the subject, to no avail.

        To alleviate the medical shortage, particularly in underserved areas, we
        must devise ground-breaking initiatives such as (1) alternative paths for
        medical school graduates; &, (2) private/non-profit funding for additional
        residency slots:

        (1) For medical school graduates who decide against residency, cannot get
        into a residency program, or do not complete their residency for reasons other
        than infractions or other improper behavior, alternative career possibilities in
        nursing or the PA profession should be available to them, should they choose
        this path. Thus, I see no reason why national or State-by-State requirements
        can’t be established for deeming a medical doctor to have proficiently completed
        an accredited nursing or PA program. In this way,
        medical doctors avoid the need to pay for & matriculate through
        redundant course work. For example, for graduates of a U.S. medical school, the
        requirement could be to pass all 3 steps of the USMLE. For a FMG, the
        requirements could be: Must be a legal permanent resident (LPR) or citizen,
        have ECFMG certification, & passed all 3 steps of the USMLE. Would need
        to create momentum for such an initiative – e.g., work with accredited public
        & private universities/colleges individually & through applicable higher
        education associations to institute a PA & RN proficiency completion
        certificate program. The proficiency program would deem/certify the eligible
        applicant to have completed, at a minimum, a bachelor’s degree PA or Nursing
        program, even a master’s degree PA or Nursing program. Or, the participating
        accredited university program could provide a conditional proficiency completion
        certificate indicating that the individual is eligible to take the certifying or
        licensure examination required by the applicable organization. Thus, a final
        certificate would be conditioned on taking & passing the applicable
        requisite certifying /licensure examination within a reasonable time frame –
        e.g., one year. Plus, co-opt applicable certification/licensure organizations in
        this effort. The completion certificate would be analogous to graduating from a
        PA program accredited by the Accreditation Review Commission on Education for
        the Physician Assistant or an accredited RN program, & would enable the
        person to proceed directly to taking the certifying or licensure examination
        required by the applicable organization — i.e., National Commission on
        Certification of Physician Assistants (NCCPA) or the National Council of State
        Boards of Nursing (NCSBN) (which develops the National Council Licensure
        Examination (NCLEX-RN)). If the person passes the applicable examination within
        a specified period (e.g., 1 year), then s/he could immediately begin to work in
        that profession and be paid commensurate to the degree of educational attainment
        & work experience within that profession. If the person does not pass the
        applicable examination, then s/he would have to matriculate through the PA or
        Nursing curriculum in the usual way. Thus, the risk rests with the applicant.Why focus on FMGs who are LPRs or U.S. citizens? Because they have made
        the U.S. their home. Plus, the Exchange Visitor Program grants FMGs who are in
        an approved residency training program J-1 visa waivers to extend their stay
        after completing the residency program, if they agree to practice in a shortage
        area or veterans hospital for at least 3 years.

        With or without such an initiative, other obstacles exist for medical
        school graduates’ acceptance in an accredited PA program: For example, I know
        of a few programs that do not accept applications from either an FMG
        or graduates of medical schools in general. And, some State PA licensure laws,
        like Illinois and Washington, hold that a M.D., &/or a FMG is not eligible
        for licensing in that State. So, while the person may have completed an
        accredited PA program in Illinois that individual would have to seek licensure
        elsewhere because Illinois statute defines a PA as “Any person not a physician
        who has been certified as a PA by the NCCPA and performs procedures under
        physician supervision.” The Master degree PA program at Rosalind Franklin
        University of Medicine and Science in Chicago, IL, expressly states this on
        their website: “The State of Illinois PA Practice Act states that Persons
        holding an M.D. or equivalent degree will not be eligible for licensure as a
        PA. Therefore, if you are a graduate of a US or foreign medical school, and
        your medical degree is recognized in the United States, you are not eligible to
        become a licensed Physician Assistant in the State of Illinois.” Washington
        State law: “Foreign medical school graduates shall not be eligible for licensing
        as physician assistant after July 1, 1989.”

        (2) Raise/provide funds to help pay for an increase in residency positions
        for FMGs who are LPRs or U.S. citizens & who commit to working in medically
        underserved areas. These positions might initially focus on primary care areas
        like family practice, general pediatric/adolescent, and geriatric medicine. The
        residency positions could focus on accepting FMGs who (a) are LPRs or U.S.
        citizens; (b) received ECFMG certification, (c) passed all 3 steps of the USMLE; &, (d) agree to serve in a medically underserved area for a
        specific amount of time – e.g., 1year for every year of residency funded by
        this program. Funding arrangements/donor investments should include forming
        partnerships, pooling resources, & working with individuals, foundations,
        public & private organizations, philanthropic services, charitable trusts,
        & appropriate agencies & organizations in & for the Federal
        government, such as the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), &
        Council on Graduate Medical Education (HHS/HRSA’s Bureau of Health
        Professions). Currently, the Medicare program pays for much of the costs of
        residency training programs. But, residency slots are limited. Therefore, supplemental funding is needed to
        increase residency positions earmarked for underserved areas, focusing selection on
        the above-described credentialed doctors who want to return to the practice of
        medicine but lack the opportunity to complete the requisite postgraduate
        residency training. Perhaps, a leveraging program could also be promoted &
        arranged, in which additional Federal Medicare funds would be authorized in
        proportion to donor partnership funds – e.g., by proposing a demonstration/pilot
        program under Medicare to increase residency positions for this purpose, instead
        of solely relying on the J-1 visa waiver program..

    • AllanB57

      As a PA educator and one who has interviewed PA applicants including Foreign Medical Graduates,one thing that I see that occurs a lot is that many of the FMGs (not all) do feel a sense of entitlement. Some of the comments I’ve heard included:

      “I completed a medical school, why can’t I just take the board?”
      “Why do I have to do the prerequisites, I already have a medical degree?”
      “Why can’t I not have advanced placement?”
      “I did my course in English, why do I have to do an English competency test?”

      On interview, in almost every case, there was no, or very little knowledge of the PA profession.

      Of the two foreign medical graduates that were admitted to a program in which I taught in Southern California, both failed to complete the program.

      One FMG PA student continuoulsy introduced himself as “Doctor” while performing PA clinical clerkships.

      And, although a foreign graduate may complete a medical program, his or her performance may not be stellar or even meet the minimum requirents. Often prerequisite courses are missing.

      I recently admitted an applicant that attended 2 years of medical school in Russia to a program I founded in WV. She was admitted on the basis of her performance in Russia, an undergraduate degree completed in the US with a very high GPA, excellent command of the English language, extensive knowledge of the PA profession, and a superb interview.

      • ERG2

         I’m sorry to learn of the experience about the PA student with a medical degree who felt a sense of entitlement. My friend knew all about the rules and just hoped to be admitted to a PA program.  In her case, different than most PA programs, this particular PA program’s policy permits a prospective applicant to submit a written request to the PA Department’s admission committee demonstrating successful completion of the prerequisite course requirements within the last 7 years from date of application. The Committee reviewed the submission & replied that she had met the prerequisite course requirements, including English language proficiency.  While someone who has earned an MD, like someone who has earned a Ph.d has the right to be addressed as doctor, a little humility goes a long way.  My friend, whose heart & soul is with providing  competent & compassionate medical care, had no problem whatsoever returning to the practice of medicine under the supervision of an MD, or being paid commensurate with the role of PA.  She never once insisted that she be addressed as an MD.  In fact, too many PA schools do not admit applicants who have earned an MD; plus some State laws will not permit someone with an MD to become licensed as a PA, even after graduating from a PA program.  So the person you are describing only serves to cast MDs in a bad light.  (PS:  There are blogs about PAs who want to become an MD via preferential treatment in admission to medical schools.  So, the shadow casts both ways.)

        • AllanB57

          Thank you for the response. It is true we must look at people as individuals. I have an Adjunt FMG that I am using to teach a Research class. He is a very intellegent man with a great personality.

          If PAs want to attend medical school I do not see a problem with that; they must however, meet all of the prerequisites.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

             It is  an  insult  by  all  standered  ,  to  go  for PA if you are areal  MD  who  passed  their  USMLE 123.

            Those  dogs  are  just  insulting and steeling  us.

            That  is  in  their genes  the have  to  feed on  others  like  parasites.  but  also  to  those  MD  who  lower  their  standered  and  conforme  to the theif well,  I really advice you to have  faith  in  GOD and  find other ways.  their  money  has  no blessing  ,  they  take  your  life .  better  watch  the devil  and his  empty promise.

          • AllanB57

            Okay Leonard,

            Is this the temperament yout learned in medical school?
            I understand that you are frustrated with the system.

            Allan

        • Jesuswilldo

          Your explanation is clear and perfect. The shadow really casts both ways. Thank you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

         yes, sure  the PA  from  America  is  better  ,  than  an  FMD  who  passed  all  your  USMLE 123.  Get  serious   those  student  if  you  are telling the truth  are  faking it.  so  what  is  your point ?  any  exam needs a preparation.  I can  fail you  in  the subjects  which  you  thing  you  know the best,  medicine  is an  ocean  and  most  of  your  blue  eyes  doctor , they  never  master  the  whole  concept of  any  subjects.   they  cram it.  and still pass   them,  because  they  need  to  payback  the  loan.  it  is  a  system  established 500  years  ago,  you need  to  see beyond  your nose.

        • AllanB57

          Leonard,

          Don’t get defensive now. I am only reporting what I have experienced. What I am saying is that some (not all) FMGs who apply to our programs are unwilling to adapt
          to the rules and regulations in this country. Many of them expect special consideration because they are FMGs. The reality is that PA programs in the US do not cater specifically to FMGs. So the option is to meet whatever the PA prerequisites there are, or do whatever a FMG needs to do to become a MD in the US.

          Perhaps some medical institution will develop a program that is geared specifically for FMGs. If any FMG is unwilling to meet the requirements then he or she needs to do whatever it takes to become a MD. I have worked with foreign medical graduates who went on to become MDs in the US and they were great doctors. I have also seen some terrible ones just like some of the doctors who were US trained.

          Put way your anger or biases and see it for what it is. Like many other professions, immigrants to the US or any other country often have setbacks or have to start over. It is a choice they make when they move here. I am an immigrant and I am not blue eyed or white, but I did adapt.

          Allan

  • Anonymous

    If a patient is in pain or distress, they feel miserable and bad enough. Difficult at some times to understand all the medical jargon and discussions with medical personnel, let alone try to struggle to understand a doctor who may not speak English very well. I simply will not tolerate it. If I can’t understand their speech, I will demand a different doctor and specifically state that I want someone who speaks English clearly.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QX2JVMNP5FANZ24EP2YMUTGM7U rahul

       Thats why there is a test called “USMLE Step2 CS” where a candidate has to exam a real patient. This test is in USA. Without passing test and many other USMLE tests you cannot practice residency.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-Welch/100000085473440 Kevin Welch

     
    With our youth demonstrating in the streets for good paying jobs, and where giving away highly respected professions. What’s is wrong with this picture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002646469697 Christopher Brieo

    I am a US citizen with a foreign medical doctor degree too, and must say to all that the true problem is not what is being discussed here. The issue here is that the American Medical System is a corrupt system and I cannot even figure the lengths my colleagues would go to practice here… I have not given up, but I got smarter. Has anyone opened their eyes and noticed that Medical Education here is probably the WORST in the world? that American trained doctors are sub par compared to their foreign counterparts? That not even diagnosing is done properly here? It is disgusting to go to a consultation and have a doctor not even examine you like it should be and wait on lab and para-clinical tests to determine what you have? Hellloooooo! You are trained here to follow an automatized pre-built system instead of dedicating to listen and examine your patients! You have to serve the insurance system and malpractice omen… doesn’t that ring a bell? my goodness… what a mess and disappointment… An American-trained doctor as the system goes will never be a true doctor, no way… The system including the FDA is all about the $$$$$$ and reputation, no real care here…. Also the comment above about Governments getting something back in return does not apply to the US, because then you should not have to pay a dime to go to Med School, like in other countries that produce real doctors… Just my two cents…

    • MariposaJ

      I agree US doctors are subpar. The technology may be advanced but even that is changing.I am considering going to medical school abroad. Out of curiousity, where did you study? 

      • horizon106

        Cool – See you later – enjoy abroad. Good luck with that.

        • Jesuswilldo

          I am american citizen, born in South America. I studied Medicine there with an american born student who practices Neurology in Seattle now, very succesful. He is a great clinician and he is always remembering the good Semiology he learned there that allows him to make diagnostics sometimes with just looking, listening and touching and not waiting a month for test results. That is a real clinician and you don’t need good luck for that but to study hard and dedicate to really learn. It was terribly, (being myself a doctor and a patient) I had to be examined at the hospital by a neurologist in Reston, VA who didn’t even talk to me, didn’t say “Hello”, he came into the room and checked on the Babinski reflex and said with a fake smile ”Oh, this patient doesn’t have a stroke, he is Ok!”. I am a neurophysiologist, specialized, practiced and researched in Switzerland. What kind of doctors have trained the american system here? Nonsense! Good luck at the hospital if you need a good America trained doctor, that you will really need it.

    • Samira Esquina

      I just read your comment and I couldn’t agree more with you. I’m a US citizen studying medicine abroad. I have some questions and I really think you’d be able to answer them for me. Could you email me? My name is Samira. Thank you so much!

      • ndimova

         Join Residency Ready Physicians on FB

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

       THIS IS MY MAN,  I TOLD EVERY BODY  AMERICAN  DOCTORS  MOST OF THEM ARE BELOW THE MONKEY STADARD, THAT IS WHY  THEY  ALWAYS HAVE LONG FACES , SERIOUS , FAST , PANIC IN THE ( E.R) VERY INSCURE , MOST OF THEM NEVER SMILE.  AND  THE BRAIN  IS  ONE TRACK RAIL ROAD.

      BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN A LOAN 500,000  AND  MUST GRADUATE AND PAY IT
      WITH INTREST  TO  THE  (ROUTHCHILD BANKING SYSTEM) WHO OWNS EVERY THING  FROM  OBAMA  TO HIS OWN MAMA.   and when it comes to  us, they  really  bust their ……laughing  at  our stupidity  to  trust  the GODS  of  all  the
      underworld  demons,  by  listining  to  a nonsense  like   the  land of the  free  and the brave,  and the game  of  fair election , OHH  please , YOUR   history  is  stained  with  the  blood of  all  human races,  and  Now  you telling  us,  come and  clean  the shit  of  your  pts.

  • Anonymous

    Hello Stella40,

    As long as you complete Steps 1,2 &3 USMLE. ( United States Medical License Exam) Then all you will have to do is find a match for residency in the desired feild and if you’re picked. Then you will have the oppurtunity to practice medicine in the USA. Also, if you have read on this site, there is a website on Facebook : Residency Ready Physicians, I would recommend you go there and check to see what they can tell you or look for any Blogs on Step 1 USMLE or Log onto http://www.ECFMG.org I hope this helps.

    Good Luck,

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IJBLRHF5TSB33L3SONYOMR2KFY Remy Ellen

    Hi,
        We’re on process of becoming an American citizen,and because my daughter want to become a Doctor  of Medicine,a Cardiologist,so we are planning to send her in Philippines,to study.We really want her to graduate here i America,but we can not afford to support her studies here.Can you give me some informations,on what process to take in order that she can practice later ,her medical profession,once she graduated from Medical Universities in Philippines?Thank you….

    • doctorbz

       Take Kaplan course and review questions on USMLE WORLD and pass USMLE exams first time with a score above 80. Volunteer at a University hospital in a medical department she desires to get a residency in. It is who you know that can help open that door wide that is partially open to foreign physicians. Linking with the right physicians and seeing her devotion to practice will help in the long run when she needs an LOR and the program she applies to could even be the same one affiliated with her volunteer work. Matching is tricky if you have only 1 or 2 interviews. It is based on a log. formula. You could rank your top choice and they could rank you low and you don’t match. Better chances with more interviews. You also have to filter the application requirements for each program so that you do not waste money for application fees when you do not qualify for that program. It is not unheard of to spend several thousands on application fees for more than 100 programs trying to land more than 2 interviews as a foreign graduate (FMG).

  • Fatima88

    I am a U.S. citizen I completed Medical school abroad this year..,and i want to do my residency in the U.S. problem is i don’t know how to start..and when to apply??
    any information i would appreciate it.

  • Fatima88

    I am a U.S. citizen I graduated from a
    Medical School abroad this year.i want to do my residency in the U.S…Problem
    is I have no idea how to start and what are the chances of an international med
    school graduate??

  • horizon106

    For all of you (US citizens or not) that criticize American Medicine and say, “American Trained Doctors are Sub-Par” it QUICKLY shows how uneducated you are, and the animosity that you have toward Americans who trained in America. 

    Why else would you post your insecurities in such a forum? THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. We have a responsibility to take care of our own, not the rest of the planet. 

    Take care of yourselves, in your own countries if you choose to have the attitude that you are OWED something by the United States or the American Medical System. You are not owed a damn thing.

    If, on the other hand, you are honest, hard working, and grateful for the potential opportunity to train here, and see both the good and bad in our system and hope to come here and help improve our system and our nation – Welcome.

    My guess is, most of you are not those people, but if you are, good luck.

    I am an American, the son of immigrants. I went to medical school in the US, but have met with difficulties getting into residency as well, for whatever that is worth.

    Just remember, no one owes any of us, ANYTHING.

  • ndimova

    I applaud the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare. This is what we really needed. However this will create even more shortage of trained physicians, with the same cap since 1997 on the residency positions. Here is our proposal for resolution of the problem sent multiple times to NRMP http://residency-ready.org/uploads/NRMP_1_.pdf  and the government.  For those readers that are unmatched US IMGs there is survey to fill http://residency-ready.org/ which will be published once completed and a special group of our members is investigating “unhealthy practices” of some residency program directors exhibiting nepotism, etc. and matching preferentially people on visas over US citizens, that we are going to report to the federal government once completed.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/I2UWPWWAJL7QDQSM7NDCEKGG4I orthorunner

    That is unreal! The reality is that this country has a tradition of using cheap and expendable labor (including slavery). It means that the US needs you only to fill the residency spots if you are and remain a foreign citizen, and disappear after finishing the training. You are discussing goals contrary to this policy and that’s why less than 50% IMG , who are US citizens, succeed.

  • ddocl

    Very interesting discussion here, I am too a FMG I practiced 2 years as a Family Dr. in my country, circumstances brought me to the US and I decided to study for the boards. I took the kaplan prep classes and took the boards, I was able to pass 3 (CK and CS and 3) and haven’t been able to pass step 1 , along the way I realized that the way medicine , I wanted a less fragmented care for my patients. The boards try to funnel you into a specialty and box you there and I wanted more freedom to treat my patients.

    I decided to transition into a PA program, I’m still an applicant, I’ve got my interview (this weekend) and I am very hopeful. PA is not a quick easy option, it’s a serious commitment to healthcare, is not my second best because to be able to apply I had to go to College here in the US and complete 3 prerequisite classes (very intense) also for me is not about money nor status or a bunch of letters after my name, the practice of medicine is an individual thing, YOU decide the quality of the service you want to give to your patients. I will always be a physician, no one can take that away from me, I earned it and I know my strengths. My passion is primary care and the best way to approach it right now in this country and be satisfied with it is by being a PA.

    Let’s not critisize American education, Medicine has many different approaches and I don’t consider myself superior to any American doctor, like I said before, one can decide how to practice medicine, bed side manners and compassion are taught at home and not in a classroom.

    As for the corruption in the USMLE/NBME system, we all know stories but they are not well documented and of course there are plenty of “urban legends”. I can’t sit down and watch my life go by waiting for a residency that will take years, I can’t spend my energy (and money) blaming the boards or corruption or whatever else I want to blame for my inability to find a residency. I think I did the right choice and in the end the  goal is to serve patients so I am looking fwd to it.

    Good luck everybody!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/QMYKPAZM7KH2CXGOZHVLFBGR6A leonard

     you need to spend at least 3 years  educating empty  skull,  who  owns  everything  in  America  including you and  your family.  this  govt  are  owend  by  15 bankers  all  of  them  are  JEWISH , yes  the  same  guys  who  put  your  God  on  the cross.
     and  then  lied to all of you,  given the story of sacrifice  bullshit, and  because  95% of the american are smart  like you ,  the  JEW bankrupt  america , not  the  Arabs.

    without  the  muslim  oils , which  the Jew  send  them  american christian army to steel in  order  to  make  value  to the  broken ass  dollars  since 1929.  when  the JEW  bankrupt america the first time.

    before you open your stupid mouth be fair  and do some youtubing  do  not die as a donkey.

    by they way  your dumb ass white doctors , are giving you shit.because  you deserve it. and they deal with you as a dogs, and all  he want is money  you are nothing just a number,  you do not deserve the kindness  of fMG. So  Mr,white brainless christian american donkey  go  and  read  …..the  dumbest nation on earth.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jawahar.gandhi.1 Jawahar Gandhi

      I agree, I believe AngelLike is a jewish zionist Hasbarat

  • moemj

    I am a US citizen and studied in the US and got my medical degree in Dominican Republic and have practiced for more than 15 years in the primary family medicine abroad. but now I am living in the states and couldn’t even get to work as a physician assistant. I think, instead of talking to each other here on amazon, we should get together and form a body and let the congress hear us and do something about this ugly problem. The OTD should at least given the opportunity to obtain a PA license to practice in the USA

    My Email is mahfouzmj@yahoo.com if you doctors out there wants to do something about it then lets get it done and let our voices reach washington

  • http://www.facebook.com/jawahar.gandhi.1 Jawahar Gandhi

    there is a difference between a patient and a racist, you are the latter

  • milton bonet

    @facebook-100002646469697:disqus I do realize this is a very very late post, but I am an american and also a Dr. I actually hold 4 major degrees but have practiced in the USA. I do not know where you are at or what type of practices you are used to but I do not agree with yours or Mariposa statements. I always made it a point to ask my patients questions, many of them were afraid to even ask me or any Dr for that matter. I scheduled test when needed and not just to increase the billing of my practice. Many times I gave my patients free medications plus a prescription in that way they would save some money. I became a Hospital Facility Administrator and during my first year fired over 23 Nurses for drug dependence I also ceased the employment of 15 Doctors whom I knew were drug dependent and addicted. I made complete wholesale house cleaning in every department from Housekeeping to Office workers. Did I get a lot of headaches? yes from the owners of the hospitals and the Unions,The Medical Boards and the Insurance Companies. The facility was 1,300 beds and had been in the red for over 10 years. The care the patients received was deplorable, patients used to tell me about waiting 3 to 4 hours in the emergency rooms and Drs who spent a total of 5 minutes with a patient and never once fully examined them. They had so many “tags” from State Inspections that they were under probation when I took over. I made the changes for that reason and had the hospital back in the black within 2 1/2 years. When I retired I went to work for ACHA ( Agency for Healthcare Administration) in Florida. I actually had to go to court to do my job and faced many Medical Boards due to my background and the perceived idea that I was “out to get them”? One thing you forget is that Drs are pressured by Pharmaceutical Corporations to literally push their drugs on their patients. Also the same Companies use the follow up info as fodder for their stock holders and to present to the FDA. the issue is not who is better qualified the issue is what is the environment Drs and Nurses are placed in to function. upon my exit as an Administrator I had both Drs and Nurses personally face to face thank me for being so hard on them. I did so to let them know and remind them that their oath was to the patient and profession and that they needed to remember that. By the way all the nurses I fired, I replaced with Nurses from the Philippines, and I also brought over young Drs from there and made them Physicians Assistants while they worked thru the Board exams. I am now fully retired and live in Asia.