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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 
This 
article is a response to an article by NY Post’s Amir Taheri: “The New Map of 
the Arab World.” I underscore the fact that the Obama Administration should be 
given no credit for recent developments in the Arab world, while making the case 
that much credit is due to the Bush Administration.

 

Who does 
deserve the credit for the Arab Spring?  Not the Obama 
Administration.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN

 

I will agree with Mr. Taheri’s assertion that the Obama 
Administration should receive no credit for the Arab Spring, but he overlooks 
giving credit to the Administration deserving 
of much of the credit for creating the conditions 
which allowed the “Arab Spring 
movements” to develop.

 

Mr. Taheri’s first group consists of those are countries that 
have toppled their despots and are on the way to democratization: most 
importantly Iraq. It seems that the US will not declare the obvious: we won the 
Iraq War. We have unseated a despotic regime, subdued a rabid insurgency, and 
established the most democratic government that the Arab world has ever known. 
The Left here and abroad is silent in the face of these achievements. The Left 
declared constantly that these results were impossible, they are wrong. Please 
just recall the comments of members the current Administration and the 
Democratic Party leadership in Congress during 
the long struggle. I wonder just how much respect the current democratically 
elected leaders of Iraq have for anyone in this Administration all of whom were 
working so hard against the successful conclusion of the Iraq War.

 

Mr. Taheri’s second group consists of the petro-monarchies. Yes 
that’s right, monarchies in the twenty-first century. It has been the continuing 
US policy to support those petro-monarchies, so while including the current 
Administration, it does not shoulder the blame alone. However, the fact that the 
President would consult the King of Jordan about the “Arab Spring” is 
deliciously ironic. It should be US policy to strengthen democratic civil 
society movements in all nations, because it is not merely morally the correct 
thing to do, but because in the end the people in these nations will take 
control. (Does Anyone Remember Blowback: Do we want these new governments, when 
they finally take power to look at the US as helping or hindering their 
struggle?) 

 

Mr. Taheri’s third group consists of rejectionist despotic 
regimes. In Libya the Obama Administration is half-heartily encouraging the 
rebels. It is bizarre to watch the chokingly constrained military support that 
the Obama Administration provides the rebels. Indeed the rebels were nearly 
crushed until the slight loosing of constraints on military intervention. It is 
extremely ironic to have the Ero-poodles (with their hollowed out militaries) 
sounding more bellicose than the US. Meanwhile in Syria the thug-ocracy of Assad 
family has murdered well over 1,000 of its own civilians with no end in sight. 
The Obama Administration’s Syrian engagement policy seems to be an unmitigated failure as well as morally 
bankrupt.

 

Mr. Taheri’s fourth group consists of near failed states. 
Sudan is finally ending its civil war of more than 30 years with devolution into 
a Muslim northern rump-state and a non-Muslim southern rump-state. Eritrea is 
struggling to hold itself together since breaking away from Ethiopia. Mauritania 
struggles with a corrupt and ineffective government with a largely uneducated 
poor population. The 
only thing supporting these countries appears to be the resource demands of the 
Chinese government, which has no interest in democracy but an increasing 
appetite for natural resources. To expect more than naked self-interest from the 
Chinese government, a self-perpetuating, unaccountable, communist gerontocracy, 
is folly.   

 

I do take issue with his assertion that: “These dramatic 
changes in the Arab world have happened without much input by any other major 
power -- including the United States.” Does he really believe that had Sadam 
remained in power that he would be writing about “The New Map of the Arab 
World?” 

 

The overthrow of Sadam’s government and victory in the Iraq 
War has finally unstuck the despotic ossification of the Arab world. The ripple 
effects of these developments have allowed the Arab Spring movements to flower. 
The people in the Arab world look to the democratically elected government of 
Iraq as a model of a much more democratic future. A democratic Iraq is something 
that never would have existed had the Democrats, who run the current 
Administration, achieved their preferred outcome during the Iraq War. President 
Obama’s Cairo speech was delivered some two years ago. Words, Mr. President, did 
not cause the Arab Spring. Facts on the ground were the midwife of these 
movements. So I close with this thought: The Arab Spring movement owes more to 
George Bush and the successful conclusion of the Iraq War than to the words and 
half-hearted actions of the Obama Administration.

 

Kevin Frei

Houston, TX </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <br />
This<br />
article is a response to an article by NY Post’s Amir Taheri: “The New Map of<br />
the Arab World.” I underscore the fact that the Obama Administration should be<br />
given no credit for recent developments in the Arab world, while making the case<br />
that much credit is due to the Bush Administration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Who does<br />
deserve the credit for the Arab Spring?  Not the Obama<br />
Administration.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>I will agree with Mr. Taheri’s assertion that the Obama<br />
Administration should receive no credit for the Arab Spring, but he overlooks<br />
giving credit to the Administration deserving<br />
of much of the credit for creating the conditions<br />
which allowed the “Arab Spring<br />
movements” to develop.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s first group consists of those are countries that<br />
have toppled their despots and are on the way to democratization: most<br />
importantly Iraq. It seems that the US will not declare the obvious: we won the<br />
Iraq War. We have unseated a despotic regime, subdued a rabid insurgency, and<br />
established the most democratic government that the Arab world has ever known.<br />
The Left here and abroad is silent in the face of these achievements. The Left<br />
declared constantly that these results were impossible, they are wrong. Please<br />
just recall the comments of members the current Administration and the<br />
Democratic Party leadership in Congress during<br />
the long struggle. I wonder just how much respect the current democratically<br />
elected leaders of Iraq have for anyone in this Administration all of whom were<br />
working so hard against the successful conclusion of the Iraq War.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s second group consists of the petro-monarchies. Yes<br />
that’s right, monarchies in the twenty-first century. It has been the continuing<br />
US policy to support those petro-monarchies, so while including the current<br />
Administration, it does not shoulder the blame alone. However, the fact that the<br />
President would consult the King of Jordan about the “Arab Spring” is<br />
deliciously ironic. It should be US policy to strengthen democratic civil<br />
society movements in all nations, because it is not merely morally the correct<br />
thing to do, but because in the end the people in these nations will take<br />
control. (Does Anyone Remember Blowback: Do we want these new governments, when<br />
they finally take power to look at the US as helping or hindering their<br />
struggle?) </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s third group consists of rejectionist despotic<br />
regimes. In Libya the Obama Administration is half-heartily encouraging the<br />
rebels. It is bizarre to watch the chokingly constrained military support that<br />
the Obama Administration provides the rebels. Indeed the rebels were nearly<br />
crushed until the slight loosing of constraints on military intervention. It is<br />
extremely ironic to have the Ero-poodles (with their hollowed out militaries)<br />
sounding more bellicose than the US. Meanwhile in Syria the thug-ocracy of Assad<br />
family has murdered well over 1,000 of its own civilians with no end in sight.<br />
The Obama Administration’s Syrian engagement policy seems to be an unmitigated failure as well as morally<br />
bankrupt.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s fourth group consists of near failed states.<br />
Sudan is finally ending its civil war of more than 30 years with devolution into<br />
a Muslim northern rump-state and a non-Muslim southern rump-state. Eritrea is<br />
struggling to hold itself together since breaking away from Ethiopia. Mauritania<br />
struggles with a corrupt and ineffective government with a largely uneducated<br />
poor population. The<br />
only thing supporting these countries appears to be the resource demands of the<br />
Chinese government, which has no interest in democracy but an increasing<br />
appetite for natural resources. To expect more than naked self-interest from the<br />
Chinese government, a self-perpetuating, unaccountable, communist gerontocracy,<br />
is folly.   </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I do take issue with his assertion that: “These dramatic<br />
changes in the Arab world have happened without much input by any other major<br />
power &#8212; including the United States.” Does he really believe that had Sadam<br />
remained in power that he would be writing about “The New Map of the Arab<br />
World?” </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The overthrow of Sadam’s government and victory in the Iraq<br />
War has finally unstuck the despotic ossification of the Arab world. The ripple<br />
effects of these developments have allowed the Arab Spring movements to flower.<br />
The people in the Arab world look to the democratically elected government of<br />
Iraq as a model of a much more democratic future. A democratic Iraq is something<br />
that never would have existed had the Democrats, who run the current<br />
Administration, achieved their preferred outcome during the Iraq War. President<br />
Obama’s Cairo speech was delivered some two years ago. Words, Mr. President, did<br />
not cause the Arab Spring. Facts on the ground were the midwife of these<br />
movements. So I close with this thought: The Arab Spring movement owes more to<br />
George Bush and the successful conclusion of the Iraq War than to the words and<br />
half-hearted actions of the Obama Administration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Kevin Frei</p>
<p>Houston, TX </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.theworld.org/2011/05/obama-middle-east-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-19676</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> 
This 
article is a response to an article by NY Post’s Amir Taheri: “The New Map of 
the Arab World.” I underscore the fact that the Obama Administration should be 
given no credit for recent developments in the Arab world, while making the case 
that much credit is due to the Bush Administration.

 

Who does 
deserve the credit for the Arab Spring?  Not the Obama 
Administration.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN

 

I will agree with Mr. Taheri’s assertion that the Obama 
Administration should receive no credit for the Arab Spring, but he overlooks 
giving credit to the Administration deserving 
of much of the credit for creating the conditions 
which allowed the “Arab Spring 
movements” to develop.

 

Mr. Taheri’s first group consists of those are countries that 
have toppled their despots and are on the way to democratization: most 
importantly Iraq. It seems that the US will not declare the obvious: we won the 
Iraq War. We have unseated a despotic regime, subdued a rabid insurgency, and 
established the most democratic government that the Arab world has ever known. 
The Left here and abroad is silent in the face of these achievements. The Left 
declared constantly that these results were impossible, they are wrong. Please 
just recall the comments of members the current Administration and the 
Democratic Party leadership in Congress during 
the long struggle. I wonder just how much respect the current democratically 
elected leaders of Iraq have for anyone in this Administration all of whom were 
working so hard against the successful conclusion of the Iraq War.

 

Mr. Taheri’s second group consists of the petro-monarchies. Yes 
that’s right, monarchies in the twenty-first century. It has been the continuing 
US policy to support those petro-monarchies, so while including the current 
Administration, it does not shoulder the blame alone. However, the fact that the 
President would consult the King of Jordan about the “Arab Spring” is 
deliciously ironic. It should be US policy to strengthen democratic civil 
society movements in all nations, because it is not merely morally the correct 
thing to do, but because in the end the people in these nations will take 
control. (Does Anyone Remember Blowback: Do we want these new governments, when 
they finally take power to look at the US as helping or hindering their 
struggle?) 

 

Mr. Taheri’s third group consists of rejectionist despotic 
regimes. In Libya the Obama Administration is half-heartily encouraging the 
rebels. It is bizarre to watch the chokingly constrained military support that 
the Obama Administration provides the rebels. Indeed the rebels were nearly 
crushed until the slight loosing of constraints on military intervention. It is 
extremely ironic to have the Ero-poodles (with their hollowed out militaries) 
sounding more bellicose than the US. Meanwhile in Syria the thug-ocracy of Assad 
family has murdered well over 1,000 of its own civilians with no end in sight. 
The Obama Administration’s Syrian engagement policy seems to be an unmitigated failure as well as morally 
bankrupt.

 

Mr. Taheri’s fourth group consists of near failed states. 
Sudan is finally ending its civil war of more than 30 years with devolution into 
a Muslim northern rump-state and a non-Muslim southern rump-state. Eritrea is 
struggling to hold itself together since breaking away from Ethiopia. Mauritania 
struggles with a corrupt and ineffective government with a largely uneducated 
poor population. The 
only thing supporting these countries appears to be the resource demands of the 
Chinese government, which has no interest in democracy but an increasing 
appetite for natural resources. To expect more than naked self-interest from the 
Chinese government, a self-perpetuating, unaccountable, communist gerontocracy, 
is folly.   

 

I do take issue with his assertion that: “These dramatic 
changes in the Arab world have happened without much input by any other major 
power -- including the United States.” Does he really believe that had Sadam 
remained in power that he would be writing about “The New Map of the Arab 
World?” 

 

The overthrow of Sadam’s government and victory in the Iraq 
War has finally unstuck the despotic ossification of the Arab world. The ripple 
effects of these developments have allowed the Arab Spring movements to flower. 
The people in the Arab world look to the democratically elected government of 
Iraq as a model of a much more democratic future. A democratic Iraq is something 
that never would have existed had the Democrats, who run the current 
Administration, achieved their preferred outcome during the Iraq War. President 
Obama’s Cairo speech was delivered some two years ago. Words, Mr. President, did 
not cause the Arab Spring. Facts on the ground were the midwife of these 
movements. So I close with this thought: The Arab Spring movement owes more to 
George Bush and the successful conclusion of the Iraq War than to the words and 
half-hearted actions of the Obama Administration.

 

Kevin Frei

Houston, TX </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <br />
This<br />
article is a response to an article by NY Post’s Amir Taheri: “The New Map of<br />
the Arab World.” I underscore the fact that the Obama Administration should be<br />
given no credit for recent developments in the Arab world, while making the case<br />
that much credit is due to the Bush Administration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Who does<br />
deserve the credit for the Arab Spring?  Not the Obama<br />
Administration.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_new_map_of_the_arab_world_UjmHMH0fZ0LywL0JhFkrdN</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>I will agree with Mr. Taheri’s assertion that the Obama<br />
Administration should receive no credit for the Arab Spring, but he overlooks<br />
giving credit to the Administration deserving<br />
of much of the credit for creating the conditions<br />
which allowed the “Arab Spring<br />
movements” to develop.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s first group consists of those are countries that<br />
have toppled their despots and are on the way to democratization: most<br />
importantly Iraq. It seems that the US will not declare the obvious: we won the<br />
Iraq War. We have unseated a despotic regime, subdued a rabid insurgency, and<br />
established the most democratic government that the Arab world has ever known.<br />
The Left here and abroad is silent in the face of these achievements. The Left<br />
declared constantly that these results were impossible, they are wrong. Please<br />
just recall the comments of members the current Administration and the<br />
Democratic Party leadership in Congress during<br />
the long struggle. I wonder just how much respect the current democratically<br />
elected leaders of Iraq have for anyone in this Administration all of whom were<br />
working so hard against the successful conclusion of the Iraq War.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s second group consists of the petro-monarchies. Yes<br />
that’s right, monarchies in the twenty-first century. It has been the continuing<br />
US policy to support those petro-monarchies, so while including the current<br />
Administration, it does not shoulder the blame alone. However, the fact that the<br />
President would consult the King of Jordan about the “Arab Spring” is<br />
deliciously ironic. It should be US policy to strengthen democratic civil<br />
society movements in all nations, because it is not merely morally the correct<br />
thing to do, but because in the end the people in these nations will take<br />
control. (Does Anyone Remember Blowback: Do we want these new governments, when<br />
they finally take power to look at the US as helping or hindering their<br />
struggle?) </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s third group consists of rejectionist despotic<br />
regimes. In Libya the Obama Administration is half-heartily encouraging the<br />
rebels. It is bizarre to watch the chokingly constrained military support that<br />
the Obama Administration provides the rebels. Indeed the rebels were nearly<br />
crushed until the slight loosing of constraints on military intervention. It is<br />
extremely ironic to have the Ero-poodles (with their hollowed out militaries)<br />
sounding more bellicose than the US. Meanwhile in Syria the thug-ocracy of Assad<br />
family has murdered well over 1,000 of its own civilians with no end in sight.<br />
The Obama Administration’s Syrian engagement policy seems to be an unmitigated failure as well as morally<br />
bankrupt.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Mr. Taheri’s fourth group consists of near failed states.<br />
Sudan is finally ending its civil war of more than 30 years with devolution into<br />
a Muslim northern rump-state and a non-Muslim southern rump-state. Eritrea is<br />
struggling to hold itself together since breaking away from Ethiopia. Mauritania<br />
struggles with a corrupt and ineffective government with a largely uneducated<br />
poor population. The<br />
only thing supporting these countries appears to be the resource demands of the<br />
Chinese government, which has no interest in democracy but an increasing<br />
appetite for natural resources. To expect more than naked self-interest from the<br />
Chinese government, a self-perpetuating, unaccountable, communist gerontocracy,<br />
is folly.   </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I do take issue with his assertion that: “These dramatic<br />
changes in the Arab world have happened without much input by any other major<br />
power &#8212; including the United States.” Does he really believe that had Sadam<br />
remained in power that he would be writing about “The New Map of the Arab<br />
World?” </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The overthrow of Sadam’s government and victory in the Iraq<br />
War has finally unstuck the despotic ossification of the Arab world. The ripple<br />
effects of these developments have allowed the Arab Spring movements to flower.<br />
The people in the Arab world look to the democratically elected government of<br />
Iraq as a model of a much more democratic future. A democratic Iraq is something<br />
that never would have existed had the Democrats, who run the current<br />
Administration, achieved their preferred outcome during the Iraq War. President<br />
Obama’s Cairo speech was delivered some two years ago. Words, Mr. President, did<br />
not cause the Arab Spring. Facts on the ground were the midwife of these<br />
movements. So I close with this thought: The Arab Spring movement owes more to<br />
George Bush and the successful conclusion of the Iraq War than to the words and<br />
half-hearted actions of the Obama Administration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Kevin Frei</p>
<p>Houston, TX </p>
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		<title>By: Imani Burrell</title>
		<link>http://www.theworld.org/2011/05/obama-middle-east-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-19674</link>
		<dc:creator>Imani Burrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This speech was unbelievable.  It sounds like Mr. Obama is finally reflecting the will of his people.  We are concerned with more than just our internal challenges, ie. jobs, healthcare, budgets.   We are also hyper-aware that there are other people who don&#039;t have even our most basic freedoms.  I think Mr. Obama worded this speech perfectly.  We, these United States of America, support all efforts of our brothers and sisters accross the world to stand up and declare their rights of freedom.  It was especially poignant and meaningful to me when Mr. Obama said that these revolutions will evolve under the people of the countries involved, on their time line, and with the very real potential for violent attempts to establish new governments.  I couldn&#039;t be prouder of our president.  He showed the world what the American people have felt for a very long time.  And Hilary looked amazing!  And spoke beautifully!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This speech was unbelievable.  It sounds like Mr. Obama is finally reflecting the will of his people.  We are concerned with more than just our internal challenges, ie. jobs, healthcare, budgets.   We are also hyper-aware that there are other people who don&#8217;t have even our most basic freedoms.  I think Mr. Obama worded this speech perfectly.  We, these United States of America, support all efforts of our brothers and sisters accross the world to stand up and declare their rights of freedom.  It was especially poignant and meaningful to me when Mr. Obama said that these revolutions will evolve under the people of the countries involved, on their time line, and with the very real potential for violent attempts to establish new governments.  I couldn&#8217;t be prouder of our president.  He showed the world what the American people have felt for a very long time.  And Hilary looked amazing!  And spoke beautifully!</p>
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