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Trimming the Defense Budget, Tea Party Style

Tea Party Rally in Wisconsin (flickr image: Rob Chandanais)

Tea Party Rally in Wisconsin (flickr image: Rob Chandanais)

A 12-member bipartisan Congressional committee has until November 23rd to figure out how exactly to trim the debt by some $1.5 trillion dollars over 10 years. Then, they have a matter of weeks to sell that plan to both houses of Congress.

If no agreement is reached, automatic cuts kick in: $600 billion from the military and $600 billion from domestic programs. Both Democrats and Republicans shudder at this arrangement. But how does the Tea Party feel about steep cuts to national defense?

The Tea Party doesn’t have a central spokesman or organizing body; it’s a loose coalition of people united by beliefs in spending cuts, lower taxes, and smaller government. To try and gauge the mood of Tea Party supporters, I spoke with three people, in different parts of the country, who subscribe to their uniting principles.

“We really need across the board cuts. And nothing can be a sacred cow, nothing can be off limits. And that’s going to include defense,” said Chris Littleton of Cincinnati, co-founder of the group The Ohio Liberty Council.

Littleton said the defense budget has become bloated. (It’s come close to doubling since September 11th, 2001.) Littleton argued that’s because the military has lost sight of its Constitutional mission.

“It does not include being the world’s police, being the world’s peacemaker, or trying to advance our culture or causes around the world as a singular purpose. It’s for common defense,” said Litleton. “And so if we are not directly threatened, and we are not involved in an altercation, that we need to defend ourselves (from), then we can absolutely scale back our operations from throughout the world. So I’d be for both domestic and foreign military installations brought back, trimmed down, and hopefully many of them even eliminated.”

Support for a smaller military runs counter to what many conservative Republicans espouse. But Tea Party supporter Jason Rink – executive director of The Foundation for a Free Society in Austin, Texas – argued that’s because Republicans haven’t been acting like real conservatives.

“Traditional conservatives, they believed we should have a humble foreign policy, they believed that we shouldn’t police the world, they believed that we shouldn’t get into foreign wars, and that our defense spending needed to be something that we addressed and we were modest about,” said Rink.

The new push to reduce the debt could result in cuts to the Pentagon’s budget of up to $1 trillion dollars over a decade. That would be about 14 percent of its operating budget. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said cuts that large would imperil the nation’s security. And such cuts would impact tens of thousands of people who work in the defense industry.

But many Tea Party sympathizers say that $1 trillion in cuts being steep… that’s an exaggeration.

“I mean I guess steep is really all just perspective,” said Michael Boldin, executive director of an activist organization called the 10th Amendment Center in Los Angeles. “I don’t know think anyone is really proposing steep cuts and there should be.”

Boldin opposed the war in Iraq and the military campaign in Libya. He called them unconstitutional acts. He not only wants to cut the US military budget, he also wants to cut funds for foreign military assistance. Dramatically. The US distributes $14 billion annually in military assistance, most of which goes to Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Egypt and Pakistan.

“I think they (foreign military funds) should be eliminated completely, 100 percent,” said Boldin. “Funding one side or another overseas has led to far more problems than it has benefits, and it’s time for it to end: morally, economically, and then also constitutionally… I think it’s naïve to think that we should be so arrogant as to think that we can determine what side is the good side in very complex overseas issues. And I think the historical record, if it hasn’t already shown, is that the US has many times taken the wrong side.”

But military experts point out that the US government isn’t really in the business of picking “the good side.” Washington provides military assistance to foreign governments because it perceives such aid to be in the national interest. For example, the US gives aid to Pakistan not necessarily because the leaders are the good guys, but because it’s not in America’s interest for Pakistan’s nuclear-armed government to collapse.

There’s another element to foreign assistance: non-military economic aid. That comes out to $34 billion annually for things like food, agricultural development, and AIDS prevention in Africa. Overall, it’s about 1 percent of the U.S. budget.

No big surprise: Foreign aid is not very popular among Tea Party supporters.

“We cannot possibly think about trying to help out other countries before we have our own backyards in order. It’s not about politics or picking one cause or one country, it needs to be cut across the board,” said Chris Littleton of Cincinnati. “This isn’t a personal decision, it’s a mathematical one. This is a financial decision that has to be made.”

I asked Littleton if denying food to starving people or medicine to the sick might be considered heartless?

Littleton responded, “Is it more heartless to keep them dependent on another nation for something? Doesn’t that perpetuate the suffering? Doesn’t that perpetuate the problems?”

Michael Boldin said, “I support helping people, absolutely support helping people. But I am not under the belief that the US government is a responsible organization to help people. I think that should be left to private individuals, to private organizations.”

Foreign aid has generally had the support of Democrats and Republicans. Microsoft founder Bill Gates puts it this way: The small amount we spend helping the world’s poorest not only saves millions of lives, it also has an enormous impact on developing economies, which in turn, impacts our economy.

The international relief organization, Oxfam, points out that the main reasons that the US assists poor countries are to enhance national security, promote our economic interests, and provide moral leadership.

But Tea Party members and followers say the best way to enhance national security, promote our economic interests and provide moral leadership is to get our own economic house in order. And that means cut spending by however much you can, wherever you can.


Do you think the US should cut spending by however much it can, wherever it can?

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Discussion

40 comments for “Trimming the Defense Budget, Tea Party Style”

  • http://www.facebook.com/mafiaboy333 Dennis Page

    I appreciate your coverage of the tea parties politics and not as a psychotic menace. I think spending should be cut as fast as possible because if you drag it out the pain lasts longer much like a bandaid. Dennis from Brighton, Colorado

  • Jim_from_Avon

    Perhaps the fairest, most unbiased account of the Tea Party movement’s positions on spending I’ve ever heard — and it was on public radio! My congrats to Jason Margolis on journalism the way it ought to be done.
    Any money we spend on foreign involvements and the military we first must borrow, and we have borrowed ourselves into national bankruptcy. We simply cannot afford to underwrite the world. It is time to cut our expenses, and regain fiscal sobriety.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6POOOLCKKGRQQLMKSOPM7OBH4Q Kevin

      We are not bankrupt.  The debt is large but we have the ability to pay it off.  Simply letting the Bush tax cuts expire will get the debt under control over the next ten years.  We don’t have to cut every program today.  The more money we cut in this weak economy, the less growth we will have.  Getting Americans back to work, and paying taxes, will do more to reduce the deficit then cutting helpful programs.  

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z47QHO5BB6Q2AT4B4TGZCNTF4A Tall1

        I agree. The wealthy have enormously and disproportionately prospered in the Bush atmosphere of government spending and left the debt for the middle class. It is time they paid there share. I don’t agree that removing the Bush tax cuts will hurt our economy. We did just fine without the tax cuts under Clinton.

  • Jim_from_Avon

    Perhaps the fairest, most unbiased account of the Tea Party movement’s positions on spending I’ve ever heard — and it was on public radio! My congrats to Jason Margolis on journalism the way it ought to be done.
    Any money we spend on foreign involvements and the military we first must borrow, and we have borrowed ourselves into national bankruptcy. We simply cannot afford to underwrite the world. It is time to cut our expenses, and regain fiscal sobriety.

  • Anonymous

    One should not say that the military has lost sight of its mission. We have civilian control of the military. The civilian politicians decide how the military is to be used. The military carries out its orders. Cutting back the military would have to be done by members of congress, who may not have the nerve to close bases or fire service members. Hans from Santa Monica, CA

    • Jim_from_Avon

      You are, of course, technically correct. The problem is, the military-industrial complex of which Dwight D. Eisenhower so presciently warned has insinuated itself throughout our political society. Military spending translates to jobs — and well-paying ones — in practically every congressional district in the country. And what member of Congress will stand and declare the weapons plants in his or her district, the ones that funnel untold billions in federal taxpayer dollars back into local economies, should be shut down for the good of the national purse?

       Our massive military-industrial establishment is at its base a giant jobs program, providing employment to millions of civilian workers as well as the more than a million men and women under arms. We are bound in a web of countless financial strands, entangled in an economy that keeps substantial sectors of the nation employed in the manufacture of weapons systems and support that we do not need and never will use, but for which we pay money we do not have because not to do so would mean massive jobs displacement. We have wrapped our national economy in a Gordian knot more than 70 years in the tying, ever since the buildup for World War II. I do not know how it can be undone — but it must be.

  • Anonymous

    One should not say that the military has lost sight of its mission. We have civilian control of the military. The civilian politicians decide how the military is to be used. The military carries out its orders. Cutting back the military would have to be done by members of congress, who may not have the nerve to close bases or fire service members. Hans from Santa Monica, CA

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZNKCAO4ZBKTOFZRIFRDQ6ER3M Roger

    Many of the issues facing this nation are not “Tea Party” exclusive, but it is groups like these that bring to the forefront issues that have plagued this country for generations. We as Americans are never asked to vote on what countries should benefit from our tax dollars, or what Goverment we beleive we should try to control. TIme to face the music! the politicians need to finally come to terms with something that has eluded them, The title of Congressman, or Senator, or even President is no match for VOTER.

    • Anonymous

      You way over-estimate the power of the ‘VOTER’ .  It’s no match for the power of the money that goes into the election of every Congressman, or Senator or President.  The money people choose who will win.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XZNKCAO4ZBKTOFZRIFRDQ6ER3M Roger

    Many of the issues facing this nation are not “Tea Party” exclusive, but it is groups like these that bring to the forefront issues that have plagued this country for generations. We as Americans are never asked to vote on what countries should benefit from our tax dollars, or what Goverment we beleive we should try to control. TIme to face the music! the politicians need to finally come to terms with something that has eluded them, The title of Congressman, or Senator, or even President is no match for VOTER.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Ruth-Sr/100000727836647 Donald Ruth Sr

    We have bases in 160 countries. Some of these are for recreation of top military. It will be easy to eliminate 50 % without any increased threat to the US. In many cases, it will increase our security because we will not be causing radicals in these countries to blame us for their problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Ruth-Sr/100000727836647 Donald Ruth Sr

    We have bases in 160 countries. Some of these are for recreation of top military. It will be easy to eliminate 50 % without any increased threat to the US. In many cases, it will increase our security because we will not be causing radicals in these countries to blame us for their problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Ruth-Sr/100000727836647 Donald Ruth Sr

    We have bases in 160 countries. Some of these are for recreation of top military. It will be easy to eliminate 50 % without any increased threat to the US. In many cases, it will increase our security because we will not be causing radicals in these countries to blame us for their problems.

  • Hernando Rico

    Tea Party Mentality:
    Claim: “There’s another element to foreign assistance: it’s about 1 percent of the U.S. budget.”
    Answer: “Is it more heartless to keep them dependent on another nation for something?”

    So by a similar argument if a hungry kid walked by your house asking for food you would deny it. You would deny because that would make them dependent. You would deny it because that plate of food could be 1% of your income in a given day. 

    It’s clear that the dependency argument is not valid for every humanitarian instance. Although America has huge economic problems I think we, as tax payers deserve to have 1% of our contribution to go to morally demanding obligations.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O6U3S2FK45TNTBT3ANZD4OX6NE The Dude

       That line of thinking is what got California into the debt mess it is in.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mafiaboy333 Dennis Page

      I speak for myself here but the point being made is that idividuals should give it not the government. Look at Haiti after the earthquake so much aid was raised with out cajoling from the government. What makes us look better than as a people we are giving individuals?

      • Hernando Rico

        If you say individuals I assume that you are thinking of privately managed organizations. Clearly scattered individuals giving money to the poor and hungry is disorganized and inefficient. Successful, organized and productive privately managed organizations are profit driven. Humanitarian organizations run by charity are unstable precisely because they run on charity. 

        Having said that, it is clear that this is a function that a belongs to the government and not the individuals.

        “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
        So we according to the constitution we need to promote general welfare. 

        It is just logical to ask our government to do the tasks that need to be done. In particular the tasks that do not give profits but are absolutely necessary for prosperity and general welfare. This must be done by the government, not by the individuals.

        Another reason why it should not be done by individuals: we all have the same moral obligation. We all must pay accordingly. Making it voluntary takes away responsibilities from other parties.

        Note again, we are talking about 1% of the Federal budget. I’m sure congress spends more than that on electricity bills and water.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2OM47NYS2MJPUKKDTZ6QSK5WB4 jay

          I disagree completely. Foreign aid is taking from the poor
          people of a rich country, and giving to the rich people of a poor country.
          Private charities hands down give out more money than the Federal government.
          We do have a moral obligation to help people, but through the government?
          Orwell much lol, but all kidding aside read this article from the huff post.
          Very well written on the morality of welfare and how the government giving our money
          away does nothing to help our humanity:
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/americas-not-faring-well-_b_913816.html

    • http://www.facebook.com/mafiaboy333 Dennis Page

      I speak for myself here but the point being made is that idividuals should give it not the government. Look at Haiti after the earthquake so much aid was raised with out cajoling from the government. What makes us look better than as a people we are giving individuals?

  • http://profiles.google.com/hsmyers Hugh Myers

    Is Littleton willing to travel to Africa with a shovel to bury the dead his policy will bring about? Is he even aware of the collateral damage his ideas about foreign aid will cause?  Based on his professed position he thinks it is just fine and dandy that Pakistan collapse and have all of those weapons of mass desctruction (real ones, not George style) fall into the hands of folks who hate the US far more than Litteton hates blacks, liberals and other folk who just don’t understand how things should be…

  • Hernando Rico

    If we don’t keep up with military cutting edge technology chances are Americans will die by the attacks of the unreasonable and religion based military groups. That is not to say that the military and military industrial complex runs efficiently. Making moderate cuts may actually improve their efficiency. By efficiency I mean more defense per dollar.

  • http://profiles.google.com/dlong1968 Darren Long

    The military has not lost touch with it’s mission.  They are ordered to be the world police.  The last thing a soldier wants to do is play peacekeeper.   This shows how poor the understanding is of some people like Mr. Littleton.  He obviously isn’t a veteran so therefore not a superpatriot in my book.   I volunteered during a war to fight for the country.  These people don’t love their country they love their wallets.

    While I concur that we are involved too much as world police  and some isolationism would not hurt us in some regards.    There are some unique events right now which make such a mindset short sighted.   The various Islamic Revolutions in the world could really impact things down the road should we just let them happen and hope for the best.

    Where the military needs to cut down is two areas. 1)   I think recuiting incentives is one.   With high unemployment we should not be giving out boku bonuses as the high employment itself makes the service an attractive job.  2)  I think that we need to end the use of private security firms and PMC’s.  These are costly and can’t the jobs as cheaply or as well as an American Soldier can do so.   I know they got involved because of Dick Cheney and the Haliburton connection.   But they took the USA government for billions when simple soldiers would have sufficed.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CMWCTHUHZGZDMNA454DZDGPOCY Hue!

    Yet, the Tea Party members voted to increase the defense budget to $690 Billion.  Gotta love the hypocrisy of it.  Say one thing, vote another.  Not to mention the voted to continue Big Government and Big Government handouts to Big Oil.  Maybe the Tea Baggers believe this bull, but that’s not how they are voting. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CMWCTHUHZGZDMNA454DZDGPOCY Hue!

    Yet, the Tea Party members voted to increase the defense budget to $690 Billion.  Gotta love the hypocrisy of it.  Say one thing, vote another.  Not to mention the voted to continue Big Government and Big Government handouts to Big Oil.  Maybe the Tea Baggers believe this bull, but that’s not how they are voting. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CMWCTHUHZGZDMNA454DZDGPOCY Hue!

    Yet, the Tea Party members voted to increase the defense budget to $690 Billion.  Gotta love the hypocrisy of it.  Say one thing, vote another.  Not to mention the voted to continue Big Government and Big Government handouts to Big Oil.  Maybe the Tea Baggers believe this bull, but that’s not how they are voting. 

  • http://twitter.com/DScienceJason Jason Mitchell

    If we have to borrow money from China to feed the third world, how about just letting China step up and give them the food/money? Thats like donating money with your credit card and paying interest on it instead of paying cash.   

    Tea party activists are just the only ones who have faced reality that the military complexes is one of the only places that can be cut without major damage to peoples lives.

    • Hernando Rico

      I think I rather not answer to this. You have heard very… compelling conservative arguments. That is to avoid the use of the word – manipulation. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/michaelboldin Michael Boldin

    I figured I’d add a quick comment…

    When I said, near the end, that I don’t believe the US government is a responsible organization to be providing “humanitarian” aid to foreign countries – it’s because it’s the same organization that has been responsible for the mass murder of millions of brown people around the world through it’s aggressive, immoral, and unconstitutional wars.

    I also clarified by noting that murdering criminals like Al Capone also provided humanitarian aid as a way to placate opposition.  It’s a pretty nasty game these people play with lives…not to mention the massive environmental damage done by the pentagon.

    • Hernando Rico

      “..same organization that has been responsible for the mass murder of millions of brown people around the world through it’s aggressive, immoral, and unconstitutional wars”What organization are you talking about and what group of people do you refer by “brown people”?

  • http://thinkwalks.org Joel Pomerantz

    There is no inherent physical reality that is money. The less cooperative humans invented the concept.

    But not for controlling commerce. That’s a myth propagated by those who benefit from money.

    They made money to get people to trade goods and services in a way that benefits lazy people not involved in the transaction. This is called “investment.” Now, exploitive international “investment” in the form of sometimes-altruistic aid is somehow not good enough to satisfy the greed.

    Tea Party folks want to go ever further, and use money as a force by its absence rather than by its presence, extracting it from the few places where civil society decides its best use.

    This will (and may be intended to) create more chaos and poverty. Poor people are seen by the aforementioned lazy folks simply as cheap labor, so creating more poor people helps their agenda. Ironically, many Tea Party people aren’t the worst or even the most aware greed-mongers, they’re just doing the dirty work, having become somehow convinced. Ouch.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z47QHO5BB6Q2AT4B4TGZCNTF4A Tall1

      huh?

    • Anonymous

      “money” is a concept and now is not based on anything except our “word.”  That is why it was so devastating when the tea party reps were willing to let us default or break our word.

  • http://americanseeker.blogspot.com Peggy Sue

    Could we please just let the Bush tax cuts expire? We won’t help our own poor people let alone the poor of the world because we are too committed to giving the richest people in the world a free ride. How does this help anyone but the very rich? I hate this policy. We should tax the rich.

  • Anonymous

    Politics make strange bedfellows.  Specifically on military spending, regardless of how one comes to the conclusion, this tea party rep, pacifists, progressives, and sensible economists are in agreement.  It is absurdly, damagingly too high.

    Unfortunately the poor reasoning that inadvertently leads to the reasonable conclusion in military spending  does not lead to a reasonable conclusion in other policy positions.

    As a progressive I am on the opposite side of the fence on virtually all tea party positions.  The tea party ideology is irrational, and horribly ill-informed.  But I am in total agreement with their distrust of our government as it currently operates.  As a progressive I see our government as not doing the will of the people but as completely corrupted by corporate influence.  Tea partiers distrust government but don’t seem to know why.  Their solution is to make it smaller, whatever that means.  But their solution doesn’t address the actual problem of corporate power and influence, and indeed they seem to support positions that make the government unaccountable.  Smaller and corrupt will be just as bad as what we have now or worse.

    So, it might be worthwhile to engage the tea folks about things we do agree on, and see if their eyes can be opened to how they have been manipulated to act against their own interests.  Cutting military spending to a level commensurate with other countries would immediately fix our economy.  Ending corruption would be hailed by our population as a near miracle.  After that we can haggle about the size of government.  But when corruption is gone, I know who will win that argument.

  • Anonymous

    Politics make strange bedfellows.  Specifically on
    military spending, regardless of how one comes to the conclusion, this tea
    party rep, pacifists, progressives, and sensible economists are in
    agreement.  It is absurdly, damagingly too high.

    Unfortunately the poor reasoning that inadvertently leads to the reasonable
    conclusion in military spending  does not lead to a reasonable conclusion
    in other policy positions.

    As a progressive I am on the opposite side of the fence on virtually all tea
    party positions.  The tea party ideology is irrational, and horribly
    ill-informed.  But I am in total agreement with their distrust of our
    government as it currently operates.  As a progressive I see our
    government as not doing the will of the people but as completely corrupted by
    corporate influence.  Tea partiers distrust government but don’t seem to
    know why.  Their solution is to make it smaller, whatever that
    means.  But their solution doesn’t address the actual problem of corporate
    power and influence, and indeed they seem to support positions that make the
    government unaccountable.  Smaller and corrupt will be just as bad as what
    we have now or worse.

    So, it might be worthwhile to engage the tea folks about things we do agree on,
    and see if their eyes can be opened to how they have been manipulated to act
    against their own interests.  Cutting military spending to a level
    commensurate with other countries would immediately fix our economy. 
    Ending corruption would be hailed by our population as a near miracle. 
    After that we can haggle about the size of government.  But when
    corruption is gone, I know who will win that argument.

    As a progressive I am on the opposite side of the fence on virtually all
    tea party positions.  The tea party ideology is irrational, and
    horribly ill-informed.  But I am in total agreement with their distrust
    of our government as it currently operates.  As a progressive I see our
    government as not doing the will of the people but as completely
    corrupted by corporate influence.  Tea partiers distrust government but
    don’t seem to know why.  Their solution is to make it smaller, whatever
    that means.  But their solution doesn’t address the actual problem of
    corporate power and influence, and indeed they seem to support positions
    that make the government unaccountable.  Smaller and corrupt will be just as bad as what we have now or worse.

    So, it might be worthwhile to engage the tea folks about things we do
    agree on, and see if their eyes can be opened to how they have been
    manipulated to act against their own interests.  Cutting military
    spending to a level commensurate with other countries would immediately
    fix our economy.  Ending corruption would be hailed by our population as
    a near miracle.  After that we can haggle about the size of
    government.  But when corruption is gone, I know who will win that
    argument.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=772844145 Anne Speck

    I think a dollar spent in pro-active humanitarian aid is worth $20 or more in avoided costs for wars. Being a good global neighbor brings important trade and security benefits.. And for the Christians in the crowd, do we really need a reminder that God condemns nations for being fat while others starve? 

  • horselady472

    I believe that the U.S. should eliminate income tax for individuals and, instead, institute a 15% Federal Sales Tax.  Much fairer all around.  It would remove my 2nd source of income (income tax preparer).  Corporate and business taxes would remain.  I would exempt food, health care and medicine from the sales tax.  It would create State jobs and decrease Federal jobs.