London Riots Continue Into Third Day

London riots (Photo: BBC)

London riots (Photo: BBC)

Violence affected several areas of London over the weekend, apparently sparked by the shooting death of a man by police. Host Lisa Mullins talks to The World’s Laura Lynch in one of the affected boroughs.

 

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Male Announcer: The following was recorded at 4:00 PM Eastern Time.

 

Lisa Mullins: I’m Lisa Mullins and this is The World.  British police are struggling to contain the spread of violence going on in London.  The riots began Saturday night.  They erupted amid community anger over the recent shooting death of man by police.  The rioting continued in the British capital yesterday and today young people with baseball bats smashed shop windows and hurled objects at police officers.  What’s more, skirmished between police and young people have now broken out in Britain’s central city of Birmingham. The World’s Laura Lynch is in London now.  The escalation, Laura, apparently is no longer an issue just affecting London.  What are you hearing?

 

Laura Lynch: Lisa, it quite frankly is getting quite hard to keep up with all the places where the violence is breaking out.  I don’t know if you can hear in the background, but right behind me right now there is the sound of a siren.  I heard quite a few of them in the last few hours.  The violence started to breakout again late this afternoon in eastern London, then we heard about problems in two neighborhoods in the southern parts of London, and now further south of London there are several shops set ablaze. All of these instances of violence seem to have one thing in common and that is confrontations between young people, mainly seen as young male teenagers, and the police.  They’re throwing bricks at the police and rocks, and anything they can get their hands on.  And when they’re not doing that they are looting stores or setting things ablaze. It’s hard to see this as a protest movement of any sort as much as it is young men trying to make trouble and trying to get goods out of stores, walking away with whatever they can. Now that it has gone up to Birmingham we’re seeing much the same thing happening up there.  And so for the police this was already a challenging time and it’s becoming more challenging as the hours go on.

 

Mullins: Well, as you say it seems to be opportunistic and kind of copycat activity right now, but what sparked this in the first place?

 

Lynch: What sparked this initially was last Thursday when a young man was killed by the police in the community of Tottenham, a very deprived community in north London.  His family staged a peaceful protest outside the police headquarters in Tottenham on Saturday, saying they were not receiving enough information about why he had died and how he had died. Now that was already going to increase tensions in a community where there are still lingering tensions between people and the police.  He was a black man.  They’ve always been somewhat suspicious of police, and so that seemed to be what triggered off the riots in Tottenham.  And they were severe.  There were a number of businesses destroyed.  A building that was created in the 1930s that was seen as a heritage building is now going to be demolished because it simply cannot be kept standing. People have been evacuated from their homes.  I was up there today and I know a lot of people there were dismayed, were angry at what they had seen happen to their community, and were struggling to come together to send out another message.  I met a minister there named Segun[?] Johnson who looked around and said he was just dismayed at what he saw.

 

Segun Johnson: We’ve never seen anything like this in the last 20 years.  It’s a destruction of life and of businesses.  And we believe that this is not a true representation of the silent majority, they are just criminals, but definitely is not the London that is waiting for the Olympics to happen.

 

Mullins: Well certainly police and government officials have to have that same worry that the minister mentioned there, the Olympics are coming up in 2012.  You’ve gotta think also a lot of people coming to London as tourists this summer.  And particular reason for  concern for them?

 

Lynch: Well, I think so, I mean London’s image is everything.  This country lives on tourism and to an extent the rest of the country does too.  So of course this kind of thing looks terribly bad.  And for the police who admit they have a huge policing task ahead of them next year, trying to meet this challenge is all the more important.  And I think you’ve seen that kind of concern manifested today in the fact that the mayor of London, Boris Johnson, has announced that he’s cutting short his vacation to get back here and try to contend with this.  As well, the main minister responsible for policing in the government, she was come home as well.  So great concern here that they have to get this under control, not just for the safety of the people, but the image of London because London is not looking very good right now.

 

Mullins: All right, The World’s Laura Lynch on the violence in London and elsewhere, thank you very much, Laura.

 

 

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Discussion

18 comments for “London Riots Continue Into Third Day”

  • Anonymous

    Ms. Lynch’s voice is a little too emotional for good radio.  She clearly is prejudiced in favor of Her Majesty’s aristocracy and doesn’t  even mention that the riots are at least partially due to the austerity measures imposed on the population by the present government.  Then she has the nerve to pity the present Lord Mayor of London for having to cut short his vacation so that he can return to London to deal with this issue.  Ms. Lynch should be…

  • Anonymous

    Totally agree with previous comment.  I was totally offended by Ms Lynch’s commentary.  She is completely biased and unprofessional.  At one point she states “he was a black man and they’ve always been suspicious of the police”.  This is totally tinged with the us vs them racist theme. 

    This is totally one-sided reporting.  It is clear that the youth uprising is DIRECTLY connected to austerity measures, police corruption, and class warfare directed at the poor and not just minority youths looking to steal things and cause disruption.

    Ms. Lynch and The World’s host are more concerned about “London’s image” and the Olympics than they are about reporting about the impact of a Conservative government on poor and minority struggles. What a disgusting display of right-wing elitism and class warfare!

    I have longed held the belief that this show is flat out propaganda for free marketeers and their brethren.

  • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

    Agreed… Laura Lynch placed too much emphasis on the image of the country. We know for a fact that criminal actions such as looting and setting buildings ablaze during riots happen for real deep seated reasons typically along fault lines in a country’s social fabric. Where there are generations of social inequality, tensions boil and violent mobs break out from desperation. The violent actions don’t always jive with the the problems that caused them, but isn’t it true when person to person relations break apart – a divorce, a conflict over money or jealously in a family… people react emotionally, often irrationally unrelated to the root cause of the issue.  We saw the same thing here in LA during the ’92 riots. We know for a fact why these happened (social inequality and a lack of communication between groups) and actions taken to bridge those cultural gaps in terms of communication have helped since then. What I’m hearing here from “The World” and in many other mainstream news outlets about what’s happening in Britain is the same old denial that wishes to write off violence as simple criminality. The truth is it goes much deeper. I expect more from “The World”. While this report is not as aggressive, it IS as ignorant as what comes out of Fox “News”. Please, Lisa… start asking the right questions. Dig.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tas121790 Todd Shaw

      Yeah and the riots in Vancouver weren’t about herd mentality and criminality. It was about the young white boys being oppressed because  their team didn’t win the stanley cup. You know what didnt result in mass looting and arson of private property? Tahir Square, millions of people protested after 30 years of dictatorship. For some reason the Egyptians didn’t need to steal TV’s Xbox’s and liquor or burn homes, and business (both large and mom and pop) to vent their frustration with the a ruthless 30 year regime. No, eff those punks, they deserve to be prosecuted not slapped on the wrist like a 12 year old who stole a candy bar.
      BTW, prosecuting the criminals and addressing legitimate police corruption, social inequality, racism etc are not mutually exclusive.

      • Anonymous

        You totally miss the point.  The discussion is about the validity, accuracy and bias of the reporting.  The reporting was totally biased, racist, and elitist in it’s stressing the impact on London tourism and the Olympics and not in discussing why there is such disenfranchisement and anger among minority youth.  The reporter didn’t even make an attempt to think about why they might be rioting other than to suggest it is from the death of a Black teen and that “Blacks are always suspicious of Police”.  That’s not journalism, that racist lopsided reporting that suggests a corporate, conservative mentality.  That’s the point.

        No one is suggesting it is ok for teens or anyone to destroy property, but we are suggesting that you need to look at all the factors involved, ESPECIALLY when you are a journalist.

      • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

        Did I say they were mutually exclusive? I don’t think I once implied that looters should only be given a slap on the wrist.  Sounds like your knee-jerk reaction is in line with the newscasts. What I AM responding to is the fact that “The World” along with many other news outlets are not asking the more important question of what social inequalities have caused the problem to begin with. The reporter’s preoccupation with the image of London leading up to the Olympics is misguided.  Her job is to ask deeper questions, such as why are the riots spreading to other cities? People don’t generally riot like this unless there are issues boiling under the surface. And I wouldn’t be so naive to think that the Vancouver sports riots aren’t also partially linked to a seething middle class discontent.  Not sure what the job market it like there, but there’s a lot of people who have been out of meaningful work for a long time. The globalized world is changing the institutions we rely upon for all classes – lower and middle classes. I can see how sports losses AND wins can be an excuse to let off steam in violent ways.  Hey, everyday life and traditional culture are a bit unpredictable for everyone these days.  As for the peaceful revolution in Egypt, I agree, that IS quite amazing. Amazing because it is one of the few times when that many people accomplish that much change with so little violence. But it is not the norm. And they did have the military behind them… the military didn’t back the public because it was the “right thing to do.”  They backed them because they saw that Mubarak’s ship was sailing. That’s strategic.  See how peaceful the Egyptian revolution remains if the military doesn’t cede power to a civilian government fast enough. Between Britain’s riots and Egypt’s revolution, Egypt is the exception to the rule.

        • http://www.facebook.com/leon.jacotin Leon Jacotin

          Those questions were asked of the Police Chief. I did not like his answers, especially when his department is the cause of it all in my view.  He is taking the approach of they are all wrong and the only fix is to arrest everyone

          • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

            That’s the same tone I’m hearing too, Leon. And the news anchors are letting it fly by not pressing deeper. We’ve got to dig deeper. @Globalerio:twitter  posted this video on their Facebook page earlier today. http://youtu.be/biJgILxGK0o  This man is trying to say something very important but the news anchor is not letting him speak. He’s understandably emotional but she’s not meeting him half way at all.

          • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

            That’s the same tone I’m hearing too, Leon. And the news anchors are letting it fly by not pressing deeper. We’ve got to dig deeper. @Globalerio:twitter  posted this video on their Facebook page earlier today. http://youtu.be/biJgILxGK0o  This man is trying to say something very important but the news anchor is not letting him speak. He’s understandably emotional but she’s not meeting him half way at all.

          • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

            That’s the same tone I’m hearing too, Leon. And the news anchors are letting it fly by not pressing deeper. We’ve got to dig deeper. @Globalerio:twitter  posted this video on their Facebook page earlier today. http://youtu.be/biJgILxGK0o  This man is trying to say something very important but the news anchor is not letting him speak. He’s understandably emotional but she’s not meeting him half way at all.

        • http://www.facebook.com/leon.jacotin Leon Jacotin

          Those questions were asked of the Police Chief. I did not like his answers, especially when his department is the cause of it all in my view.  He is taking the approach of they are all wrong and the only fix is to arrest everyone

        • http://www.facebook.com/tas121790 Todd Shaw

          Im not disputing that many are frustrated just my point is they are attacking the wrong people. Storm Scotland Yard, dont burn an 80 year olds furniture store, the Pakistani general store or the Curry shop own by Indian immigrants. (Oh but these people are the rich, because they own a business.) Of course that implies that the looters and arsonist actually care about any of this. Go back and watch footage of the LA Riots, also sparked by real corruption. News reporters asked people looting why they are doing it, their response were always, “because I can!” or “Its free!” and the reporters would ask, “dont you realize its wrong?” Response “dont care”. These aren’t people looting food because they are desperate, they are looting game systems and TVs because they can. Criminality pure and simple.

          • Anonymous

            Again, you miss the point.  Your take on the history of rioting over the last 25 years in anecdotal evidence of what you claim to be “footage”?  Really?  Your implicit trust of the mainstream media is extremely naive and is the kind of knee-jerk response that the corporate media has so successfully promoted.  It lacks the type of analysis and empathy that is required for true understanding and to move toward true reform.  That is how you quell things societal insurrections.

          • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

            Todd, on first look, no rioting makes any sense.  It’s often aimed at the wrong targets and feels very detached from its root cause. Expecting there to be focused response would mean that we would be watching “demonstrations” or targeted violent reactions. Hit Scotland Yard… etc. That makes sense, but this is a riot.  By nature it is not logical.  A riot occurs when larger issues have been ignored for so long that a population embraces shear anger. Rioters hit any target, and looters steal openly because they have ceased to care. They have had very little recourse from working within a system and so ultimately a huge, uncoordinated brute emotional response happens.  It’s irrational. For some it’s temporary irrationality but unfortunately for many others who grew up within a system that failed to show them that the system could work for them, it’s a state of being. They’re irrationally angry and rightfully so.  I don’t think we can argue from a rational standpoint as viewers who most likely have seen the basic aspects of the system work for us.  Do you know what it’s like not to care at all because you’ve lost hope in the system? Or to be surrounded by a community that feels the same day in and day out? Probably not, because you are here arguing from a passionate standpoint to save the system by punishing the criminal behavior. The people we’re watching have moved beyond that.  It’s very likely that many of them seriously believe that their life expectancy is no more than 4 to 5 years from now (and that’s before the rioting started).  Understanding this does not condone the action but it’s essential we try to get at the root cause because there are these fault lines that lie beneath all of our communities.  We try our best to deal with them but this is a case in which neglect won out.  Now we’re viewing the results.

            BTW… it took American Public Media’s “Marketplace” (typically a less socially minded show) to mention this afternoon that the probable causes of this are economic inequality and severe austerity measures that the lower classes have taken the brunt of.

          • Anonymous

            Again, you miss the point.  Your take on the history of rioting over the last 25 years in anecdotal evidence of what you claim to be “footage”?  Really?  Your implicit trust of the mainstream media is extremely naive and is the kind of knee-jerk response that the corporate media has so successfully promoted.  It lacks the type of analysis and empathy that is required for true understanding and to move toward true reform.  That is how you quell things societal insurrections.

        • http://www.facebook.com/tas121790 Todd Shaw

          Im not disputing that many are frustrated just my point is they are attacking the wrong people. Storm Scotland Yard, dont burn an 80 year olds furniture store, the Pakistani general store or the Curry shop own by Indian immigrants. (Oh but these people are the rich, because they own a business.) Of course that implies that the looters and arsonist actually care about any of this. Go back and watch footage of the LA Riots, also sparked by real corruption. News reporters asked people looting why they are doing it, their response were always, “because I can!” or “Its free!” and the reporters would ask, “dont you realize its wrong?” Response “dont care”. These aren’t people looting food because they are desperate, they are looting game systems and TVs because they can. Criminality pure and simple.

      • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

        Did I say they were mutually exclusive? I don’t think I once implied that looters should only be given a slap on the wrist.  Sounds like your knee-jerk reaction is in line with the newscasts. What I AM responding to is the fact that “The World” along with many other news outlets are not asking the more important question of what social inequalities have caused the problem to begin with. The reporter’s preoccupation with the image of London leading up to the Olympics is misguided.  Her job is to ask deeper questions, such as why are the riots spreading to other cities? People don’t generally riot like this unless there are issues boiling under the surface. And I wouldn’t be so naive to think that the Vancouver sports riots aren’t also partially linked to a seething middle class discontent.  Not sure what the job market it like there, but there’s a lot of people who have been out of meaningful work for a long time. The globalized world is changing the institutions we rely upon for all classes – lower and middle classes. I can see how sports losses AND wins can be an excuse to let off steam in violent ways.  Hey, everyday life and traditional culture are a bit unpredictable for everyone these days.  As for the peaceful revolution in Egypt, I agree, that IS quite amazing. Amazing because it is one of the few times when that many people accomplish that much change with so little violence. But it is not the norm. And they did have the military behind them… the military didn’t back the public because it was the “right thing to do.”  They backed them because they saw that Mubarak’s ship was sailing. That’s strategic.  See how peaceful the Egyptian revolution remains if the military doesn’t cede power to a civilian government fast enough. Between Britain’s riots and Egypt’s revolution, Egypt is the exception to the rule.

  • http://twitter.com/Don_Burton Don Burton

    I think this New York Times article begins to add some context to these events:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world/europe/10youth.html?pagewanted=1&src=recg