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Building A Mountain – In the Netherlands

'Dutch Mountain' (Photo: DHV)

'Dutch Mountain' (Photo: DHV)

The Netherlands has a reputation for being “vertically challenged,” geographically speaking. In fact, the highest point on Dutch soil is technically a volcano on the island of Sava in what’s called the Caribbean Netherlands. But Thijs Zonneveld, a former professional cyclist turned sports writer, wants to change that. He has called for the Dutch to build their own mountain.

Zonneveld, who remembers making drawings of mountains in his geography book at school, recently used his newspaper column to argue that the Dutch need their own mile-high peak.

“The Dutch people go to the mountains in the summertime and wintertime by the millions,” Zonneveld tells me. “They go for biking, for hiking, for having a picnic with a view, and for skiing in wintertime.”

“So, what we need is our own mountain in Holland, so that people don’t have to leave the country to enjoy these things.”

Zonneveld says that, at first, he meant it as a joke.

“But after I wrote the column, I got so much response from people who had been thinking seriously about this that I started to take it seriously myself.”

This week, Zonneveld organized a brainstorming session here in the Dutch city of Utrecht. Dozens of engineers, architects and urban planners gathered to talk about how, exactly, one would go about building a mile-high mountain.

There was no shortage of enthusiasm. The brainstorming session kicked off with all participants doing a rousing cheer of “Die Berg Komt Er!” or “The Mountain is Coming!”

Well, maybe it is. After all, it sounds a bit crazy right? A man-made mountain, more than 6,500 feet high?

Just imagine the engineering and architectural challenges, and the legal, economic and environmental hurdles.

But Pol Tummers, who is with the Dutch engineering firm DHV, started things off by reminding me of an old saying: “God created the Earth, but the Dutch created the Netherlands.”

The Dutch, after all, have been using technology and engineering to carve land out of the sea for centuries.

“We created our own country,” Tummers says. “We created our lakes. We planted our woods. The only thing we haven’t done yet, is a mountain.”

“When we finish this, we can lay down and relax,” Tummers adds with a smile.

Tummers and his partner presented a plan envisioning a snow-capped mountain sitting offshore, in Dutch waters, in the North Sea. He estimated it would take more than a trillion cubic feet of sand to build it, not to mention hundreds of billions of dollars.

Another architect at the brainstorming session presented an idea for a land-based Swiss-Alps style peak made with a man-made steel structure underneath.

But not everyone thinks a sharp “Heidi-style” peak would be right for the Dutch.

“On that type of mountain, only one man can stand on the top,” says urban planner Martin Dubbeling. “That’s absolutely not very Dutch. What we need is a different type of mountain, on which we can all stand on top.”

Dubbling suggests that a flat-topped mountain, a mesa, might be more suited to the Dutch character. That way, he says, more Dutch could stand on it, as equals, at the same time.

Dubbeling also insists that the Dutch need a new big engineering project.

“Since we stopped reclaiming land from the sea, we Dutch are in some kind of identity crisis. And in the last decades we could export our ideas. But now, with this economic crisis, we really have to think of something different. ”

A mountain, Dubbeling says, definitely qualifies on that score.

The idea has drawn the support of some of the Dutch sports federations.

But there is also already a “The Mountain is NOT Coming” page on Facebook.

“I am anti-mountain!” writes one visitor to the page. “First of all, it will be an eyesore, and second, that money could be better spent on education and health care.”

And for those who like the Netherlands because it’s flat?

Not to worry, says organizer Thijs Zonneveld.

“We’re not going to change the whole country. We just want to give people more options. The whole of Holland, with the exception of a small part of the country in the south, is flat already. We won’t change anything about that.”

Discussion

21 comments for “Building A Mountain – In the Netherlands”

  • Anonymous

    Wow I didn’t know that the Netherlands’ was swimming in surplus money! 

    Maybe it can instead contribute more funding to NATO which provides Europe’s security but is highly disproportionately paid for by the American taxpayer who stands a good chance of not even having any health care.

  • Anonymous

    How could they justify all of the diesel fuel that it would take to produce this mountain? I’ve seen the islands being built  offshore  Dubai and marveled at the luxury of having these built. 
    It’d be a lot more sensible to subsidize Dutch citizens trips to the Alps. Besides, it would be a theme park mountain. A poor substitute for nature’s creations.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ARHYCP3PZEX4ZLQR2UJQP73V7E Nodrog

    This is somewhat along the lines of a project I have envisioned for over 30-years. If they want to build my concept in the Netherlands, they can have it free of charge. The overall cost is projected at roughly US$12 billion. http://www.pyramidcityproject.com

  • Anonymous

    This is madness.  What are the reasons given? (A) The country is experiencing a type of identify crisis stemming from engineers not having any new grand projects to undertake.  Is this justification to squander scarce resources on constructing a major, completely unnecessary geological feature?  If anything, the Netherlands need the dirt to raise their elevation landside to counter rising sea level.  Have any of these people read about the 2x Manhattan Island-size glacier breaking off Greenland recently? (B) The Dutch need their “own” mountain so they don’t have to leave the country to enjoy skiing, etc.  Why stop there?  In fact, why don’t we compound the profligate waste of resources by supporting the construction of mountains in every other flat place that wishes to have one – Kansas has been without a good alpine ski facility for eons, for example.  Or how about a world class rafting river for Libya – they could use the stimulus, too!

  • Anonymous

    This is madness.  What are the reasons given? (A) The country is experiencing a type of identify crisis stemming from engineers not having any new grand projects to undertake.  Is this justification to squander scarce resources on constructing a major, completely unnecessary geological feature?  If anything, the Netherlands need the dirt to raise their elevation landside to counter rising sea level.  Have any of these people read about the 2x Manhattan Island-size glacier breaking off Greenland recently? (B) The Dutch need their “own” mountain so they don’t have to leave the country to enjoy skiing, etc.  Why stop there?  In fact, why don’t we compound the profligate waste of resources by supporting the construction of mountains in every other flat place that wishes to have one – Kansas has been without a good alpine ski facility for eons, for example.  Or how about a world class rafting river for Libya – they could use the stimulus, too!

  • Anonymous

    Oh? Since when are the Dutch not contributing enough to NATO Carver7? IF that is true (and I think it’s not), maybe it’s because they are helping us in a very serious way to keep Greece from going bankrupt? Or is it because they already did more then the average NATO members to help the US in their totally unprepared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    And talking about rising sea levels Rubicon7; yes they are preparing as you can see with your own eyes along their coastline en rivers. But the real question is; are you? For us in Europe it looks like the US politicians are more busy with making the “other party” look ‘un-American’ then concentrating on the real problems like the rising sea levels… How else can you explain that New Orleans still isn’t save for a tropical storm, SIX years after Catharina? (This would be unthinkable in most of the European nations)

    I’m just saying that you shouldn’t look at it in such a narrow minded way. Why did you Americans bring people to the moon? It was totally unnecessary; robots could have done the same against much lower cost! Still I think it was one of men’s greatest moments in history, just because the showed the world it could be done, and I think that’s the way you should look at the Dutch and their mountain-idea…

  • Anonymous

    Oh? Since when are the Dutch not contributing enough to NATO Carver7? IF that is true (and I think it’s not), maybe it’s because they are helping us in a very serious way to keep Greece from going bankrupt? Or is it because they already did more then the average NATO members to help the US in their totally unprepared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    And talking about rising sea levels Rubicon7; yes they are preparing as you can see with your own eyes along their coastline en rivers. But the real question is; are you? For us in Europe it looks like the US politicians are more busy with making the “other party” look ‘un-American’ then concentrating on the real problems like the rising sea levels… How else can you explain that New Orleans still isn’t save for a tropical storm, SIX years after Catharina? (This would be unthinkable in most of the European nations)

    I’m just saying that you shouldn’t look at it in such a narrow minded way. Why did you Americans bring people to the moon? It was totally unnecessary; robots could have done the same against much lower cost! Still I think it was one of men’s greatest moments in history, just because the showed the world it could be done, and I think that’s the way you should look at the Dutch and their mountain-idea…

  • Anonymous

    Oh? Since when are the Dutch not contributing enough to NATO Carver7? IF that is true (and I think it’s not), maybe it’s because they are helping us in a very serious way to keep Greece from going bankrupt? Or is it because they already did more then the average NATO members to help the US in their totally unprepared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

    And talking about rising sea levels Rubicon7; yes they are preparing as you can see with your own eyes along their coastline en rivers. But the real question is; are you? For us in Europe it looks like the US politicians are more busy with making the “other party” look ‘un-American’ then concentrating on the real problems like the rising sea levels… How else can you explain that New Orleans still isn’t save for a tropical storm, SIX years after Catharina? (This would be unthinkable in most of the European nations)

    I’m just saying that you shouldn’t look at it in such a narrow minded way. Why did you Americans bring people to the moon? It was totally unnecessary; robots could have done the same against much lower cost! Still I think it was one of men’s greatest moments in history, just because the showed the world it could be done, and I think that’s the way you should look at the Dutch and their mountain-idea…

    • Anonymous

      Hey man I’m still angry that we went to Iraq. It was stupid and the strategy in Afghanistan at first was utterly stupid as well. There’s plenty of things to criticize about America, especially in the Bush years.

      My point is we pay for your security (there was a shortage of NATO bombs for dropping on Libya so we had to ship them to you for example) while you enjoy nice social health programs and month long vacations.

      If you don’t believe me read secretary of defense Robert (Bob) Gates’ speech to NATO on how you need to be pulling your own weight in NATO. 

    • Anonymous

      ironically it is the Dutch engineers that are helping to strenghten New Orlean’s coastline now. ;)

      Beste Gruessen von deine Nachbarn!

  • Ewald Jurgens

    Thank you german in the US, as a Dutch person I really appreciate your comment.
    Carver, it is not nice to say that. First of all have a look at the size of the netherlands and the size of the US. you will see that the US is 233 times bigger than the Netherlands is, means you have a lot more sitizens and yes you pay more. Find out what we pay per person and what you pay per person and you will find the difference is not that big… The biggest difference is that you seem to have start almost every single war fought the last 50 years ,atleast from Vietnam to current Iraq, we seem to always help you out in cleaning up this mess, you started.
    We do that because we value our allies and do not judge them more than necessairy and we have faith in their motives. So please do not judge us over a silly project like this.

    I do not agree we need a mountain. I think most Dutch will tell you that. We all like mountains, but having to go to another country has its charme. I like visiting other countries.
    Furthermore, we are quite unique as a mountainless country, where the biggest part is even below sealevel. We should keep it that way.

  • Ewald Jurgens

    Thank you german in the US, as a Dutch person I really appreciate your comment.
    Carver, it is not nice to say that. First of all have a look at the size of the netherlands and the size of the US. you will see that the US is 233 times bigger than the Netherlands is, means you have a lot more sitizens and yes you pay more. Find out what we pay per person and what you pay per person and you will find the difference is not that big… The biggest difference is that you seem to have start almost every single war fought the last 50 years ,atleast from Vietnam to current Iraq, we seem to always help you out in cleaning up this mess, you started.
    We do that because we value our allies and do not judge them more than necessairy and we have faith in their motives. So please do not judge us over a silly project like this.

    I do not agree we need a mountain. I think most Dutch will tell you that. We all like mountains, but having to go to another country has its charme. I like visiting other countries.
    Furthermore, we are quite unique as a mountainless country, where the biggest part is even below sealevel. We should keep it that way.

  • Pablo Avendaño Chávarri

    Don´t think too functional, people out there. Not every human enterprise has a practical purpose.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkCoppus Mark Coppus

    @ carver7
    first of all, the government isn’t paying for this. Second we pay the most per person from almost every European country to Europe. Third our and germany’s economie are one of the strongest in Europe, only the southern countries are in trouble and fourth for the size of our country we contribute much more in your wars and NATO then other countries.
     
    And where did the economic crisis strarted again?? Wasn’t that in America, the Republicans are being payed with money from company’s, you even give subsidy to oil companies to search for new oil fields. You don’t take care of the problems, you just keep raising the dept seiling, but even about that your politicians can’t even get their mind straight, almost giving us a second recession. The rich pay almost no taxes, instead of that they just donate money to ‘their’ party, so that they can keep making money. Meanwhile their is almost no social security or healthcare for the people that are the poorest. Seriously I don’t get it, in almost every country in Europe it’s done better, I don’t even see America as a democratic country.. I mean, you practically have 2 party’s to choose out, one is being payed by compagny’s and only for the rich, the other can’t get anythinge really usefull done, because they need to clean up all the mess first and they are being blocked in every possible way.. Anyway with real democratie you would have more of a choice, at least you would have 4 or 5 party’s, if politicians in the Netherlands where the same as in America we would never have a government here, because at least 2 or 3 party’s have to work together. But with negociating the outcome is a policy that represents all the Dutch or at least a great deal of it.

    You say we have to pay for you healthcare?? Why don’t you stop giving money to company’s, let the higher incomes pay more taxes and stop those useless wars wich cost billions..

    So back OT.. This mountain could be realised, we have made land out of the sea, so why not?? Sure there will be problems, but as I see this project it isn’t only a mountain but more of a building with eath on it, they are seriously thinking of building an entire city in and around the mountain, that is self-sufficient in energy, water and everything.. Also it will be a tourist attraction, so maybe fun for one day and skiën or snowboarding could be fun on this mountain. For hiking it isn’t suited I guess, you kinda wanna hike from moutain to mountain en enjoy the panoramic view over the other mountains. But for a touristic attraction and for skiën and snowboarding it’s a really good plan.. I’m only wondering how they are going to finance this, I mean you can make a lot of money out of it, because a mountain will stand there for hunderd / thousands of years.. But I expect it will take hunderds of years before it has payed itself back and I don’t think company’s wanna make an investment that pays itself back in 3 or 4 generations.

    But you know what the old saying says: God created the world and the Dutch created the Netherlands. It is possible and it will pay itself back in time, because it will stand there long enough to make enough money out of it.. Well as a civil engineer student this just fascinates me, always thougt that for such project I would have to go to the east, like the islands of Dubai, but now I might be able to do something like that at home, well first I’ll have to finish my study of course..

    • Anonymous

      “You say we have to pay for you healthcare??” 

      No I did not say that at all.

      Our political system and our Walstreet’s recklessness is stupid, as you point out. You forgot to have the humility to acknowledge the greedy bankers in the EU that cause the problems in Italy and Greece.

      But you seem to have completely misinterpreted my comment as ‘we’re great and you’re not’. 

      What I’m saying is that we pay for your security and thats bullsh*t. Our wars? bullsh*t.

      Here try this on mr I have marathon rant: You’d be speaking German right now if we didn’t spill our blood all over your country to liberate you. And we protect you now at our expense.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=686263831 Blake Evans-Pritchard

      Careful. The Netherlands is a strong economy but there are hidden flaws in it that are currently hidden. Six months time and you might see clearer what I am referring to.

      • Anonymous

        5 months passed, Netherlands is doing fine as a jiffy, what were you referring to?

  • http://twitter.com/MarkCoppus Mark Coppus

    @ carver7
    first of all, the government isn’t paying for this. Second we pay the most per person from almost every European country to Europe. Third our and germany’s economie are one of the strongest in Europe, only the southern countries are in trouble and fourth for the size of our country we contribute much more in your wars and NATO then other countries.
     
    And where did the economic crisis strarted again?? Wasn’t that in America, the Republicans are being payed with money from company’s, you even give subsidy to oil companies to search for new oil fields. You don’t take care of the problems, you just keep raising the dept seiling, but even about that your politicians can’t even get their mind straight, almost giving us a second recession. The rich pay almost no taxes, instead of that they just donate money to ‘their’ party, so that they can keep making money. Meanwhile their is almost no social security or healthcare for the people that are the poorest. Seriously I don’t get it, in almost every country in Europe it’s done better, I don’t even see America as a democratic country.. I mean, you practically have 2 party’s to choose out, one is being payed by compagny’s and only for the rich, the other can’t get anythinge really usefull done, because they need to clean up all the mess first and they are being blocked in every possible way.. Anyway with real democratie you would have more of a choice, at least you would have 4 or 5 party’s, if politicians in the Netherlands where the same as in America we would never have a government here, because at least 2 or 3 party’s have to work together. But with negociating the outcome is a policy that represents all the Dutch or at least a great deal of it.

    You say we have to pay for you healthcare?? Why don’t you stop giving money to company’s, let the higher incomes pay more taxes and stop those useless wars wich cost billions..

    So back OT.. This mountain could be realised, we have made land out of the sea, so why not?? Sure there will be problems, but as I see this project it isn’t only a mountain but more of a building with eath on it, they are seriously thinking of building an entire city in and around the mountain, that is self-sufficient in energy, water and everything.. Also it will be a tourist attraction, so maybe fun for one day and skiën or snowboarding could be fun on this mountain. For hiking it isn’t suited I guess, you kinda wanna hike from moutain to mountain en enjoy the panoramic view over the other mountains. But for a touristic attraction and for skiën and snowboarding it’s a really good plan.. I’m only wondering how they are going to finance this, I mean you can make a lot of money out of it, because a mountain will stand there for hunderd / thousands of years.. But I expect it will take hunderds of years before it has payed itself back and I don’t think company’s wanna make an investment that pays itself back in 3 or 4 generations.

    But you know what the old saying says: God created the world and the Dutch created the Netherlands. It is possible and it will pay itself back in time, because it will stand there long enough to make enough money out of it.. Well as a civil engineer student this just fascinates me, always thougt that for such project I would have to go to the east, like the islands of Dubai, but now I might be able to do something like that at home, well first I’ll have to finish my study of course..

  • Anonymous

    @Rubicon7:disqus
    Actually that is quite a good idea. I know a few Dutch who would like to help out in Kansas and Lybia.

    The planet is a playground, enjoying it makes you appreciate it more!

  • Anonymous

    @Rubicon7:disqus
    Actually that is quite a good idea. I know a few Dutch who would like to help out in Kansas and Lybia.

    The planet is a playground, enjoying it makes you appreciate it more!

  • Anonymous

    wow, a heavy political argument in here :P
     i think the EU people in here should relax a bit, eventhough i am dutch myself.

    it would fucking rock to have an artificial mountain :D!