A Tale of Two Brothers: One in China, Other in US

The Engst Family in Beijing, 1967: Fred Engst, Erwin Engst, Karen Engst, Joan Hinton, and Bill Engst. (Photo courtesy of Bill Engst)

The Engst Family in Beijing, 1967: Fred Engst, Erwin Engst, Karen Engst, Joan Hinton, and Bill Engst. (Photo courtesy of Bill Engst)

When you meet Bill and Fred Engst, it’s hard not to ask questions, especially when you hear them talk. They speak English with a Chinese accent.

Fred and Bill were born in China, the sons of two Americans who moved there in the 1940s to be part of the Communist Revolution.

They grew up on a dairy farm in Xi’an, where they were the only Americans and the only Caucasians. Bill Engst said they got used to curious looks — sometimes they’d even stop traffic.

“People from the bus station have to come get us into their office to hide us so people can move away and get traffic going,” Bill said, laughing.

Now 57, Bill lives in New Jersey and works as an engineer. He’s the younger brother, and at 6’3″, the taller one. Like Fred, he’s got grey, thinning hair, but he used to be a redhead.

“You know, standard American look — red hair, tall and a big-nose. So I feel depressed at the way I looked.”

Bill showed me some old photos from the 1970s, when he and Fred were kids, and they looked like completely normal, even cute, white guys. But in China, Fred said, they struggled to fit in.

“My parents trying to teach us English, but I see no point whatsoever to learn English.”

Fred teaches economics at a university in Beijing – so one brother lives in China and the other in the U.S.

That’s no coincidence. The brothers disagree about a lot of things and they fight, often, about world politics.

Bill’s wife, Jian Kao, can attest to this fact.

“Sometimes when it’s carried too far and they talk too long,” she said, “and then we want to say stop.”

But at least they’re talking.

For many years, the brothers weren’t close. Bill said it’s partly because his big brother Fred was always telling him what to do, like during the Cultural Revolution, when the government sent Bill to work on a tea farm in southern China.

“I didn’t want to go. I was so mad. My brother criticized me for not accepting the offer. He said if government sends you to a place, you have to go. You should not ask questions, should not get to pick where you go. So I accepted,” Bill said.

At the time, Bill added, if you didn’t agree with the Communist party line, you were just wrong.

“Quite often, I’d think to myself, I know I’m wrong, but I don’t know why and I don’t dare to raise it up, because if I did, I’d be criticized by my brother. So I don’t really open up to him.”

Bill said he learned to keep his doubts and opinions to himself, even after the brothers moved to the U.S. as adults.

Then in 1989, Bill said, he went through a personal crisis, watching the Tiananmen Square protests on television. He said he was scared, worrying that people would run and get trampled.

“At the time, I could not imagine that the Chinese government could send troops to start killing people,” Bill said. “That was biggest shock I have against Chinese government and whole belief system.”

Since then, Bill said that he’s had to rethink everything he was taught over the years.

Fred also went through a period of questioning, but his happened when his marriage broke up and he reached out to his younger brother. Fred said it was a turning point in their relationship.

“To be close to anybody, you need to open up yourself,” Fred said. “You don’t open up yourself, you can’t expect other people to open up to you.”

Fred moved back to China in 2007, but the two brothers check in regularly on Skype, and they argue about the U.S. and China. Fred remains skeptical of the American system of democracy.

“So what if you can speak up in the U.S.? If they speak up and being imperialist power, then still imperialism,” Fred said. “My brother probably doesn’t see that. I don’t know. That’s why we need to talk more.”

Bill also wants to chat more.

“The more I talk, the more I think, the more I believe in myself, and the more I dare to challenge the past and challenge him,” Bill said.

He adds that all of their conversations are friendly. “We don’t have any negative feeling towards each other.”

But these debates do sometimes dredge up painful memories. In the interviews, each brother broke down at one point talking about the past. For Bill, the trigger was being sent down to the tea farm during the Cultural Revolution.

“I was very emotional,” Bill said, “when I start thinking back of all the youth that got sent down in China.”

For Fred, it was missing the egalitarian environment of the Chinese wood factory where he was sent to work around the same time.

“I would dream about the people I worked with, and I was missing so much that environment,” Fred said, choking up.

Each brother is trying to understand where the other is coming from, and they both say the fighting has brought them closer together, even though they’re geographically so far apart.


Discussion

13 comments for “A Tale of Two Brothers: One in China, Other in US”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/I4AD7SJKSFRXPKNDRZV5SFSSZM Marangu6

    Fascinating story! Their mother, a most interesting person in her own right, kept her faith in Mao’s vision of socialism to the very end, even when China itself abandoned it decades earlier. Other than looks, the Engst brothers (and probably their sister as well) seem to be every bit as Chinese inside as their peers who grew up during that tumultuous period, with the same conflicted memories and spiritual struggles that have come to define this particular generation today. “Americanized” Chinese are a dime a dozen, but thoroughly “sinicized” Americans are a rare find indeed, especially ones who grew up in such a surreal environment. Hope to hear more about their experience in future broadcasts…  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003778686681 Roy McCoy

    Very fascinating story.  What about the other siblings?  It would be nice if you had included present day pictures of Bill and Fred.  I would hope that you will provide more information about this family in future broadcasts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phyllis-Heisler-Gerstell/1482981266 Phyllis Heisler Gerstell

    Notice the accordian song that one of the brothers plays for a bit?  It’s a well known soviet era folksong titled (this is a rough transliteration) “Uralskaya Ryabinushka”– which is normally called “Ural Rowan Tree”  in English.  Yet another fascinating layer to add to the mix–the influence of Russian soviet-era culture on their Chinese “brethren” during the Mao years!

  • kaiserkuo

    When I was a boy growing up near Binghamton, New York, Fred Engst and his parents visited my family. My brothers and I–all born in the States to Chinese parents originally from the mainland–were astonished to meet this tall, rangy white guy who spoke with English with a very, very thick Chinese accent and spoke Mandarin with a pronouncedly Beijing accent. What struck us then was how his body language and his mannerisms were so distinctly Chinese. I only learned his English name later: We called him Yang Heping. Now that I live in Beijing and he does to, I will certainly make a point of looking him up and reconnecting!

  • http://www.facebook.com/atorea Amy Torea

     Yes, you’ve got the right family.  Orville and Erwin were brothers

    • cucai cucai

       AMYYYYY What a great thing to read you all the sudden!
      gina

      • http://www.facebook.com/atorea Amy Torea

         Surprise surprise!  Come visit again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Barry/1078128775 Bill Barry

    The one place the brothers never argued was at a buffet

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Meilin-Li/100002278691356 Meilin Li

    I watched the documentary on Joan Hinton and Erwin Engst. The couple have fascinating story by themselves. If I remember it correctly, Erwin graduated from Cornell Univ on agriculture; Joan was a young nuclear scientist at Los Alamos on Manhattan project during II WW. Putting aside the argument on different ideologies, Joan and Erwin have pure hearts and simple belief on the meaning of the life. Both of them passed away a few years back and buried at the dairy farm where they worked for more than 30 years. They experienced Depression which was caused by the human greediness, the civil war in China during late 1940s, turbulence period of Chinese Culture revolution and past 2 decades when China transformed into extreme materialism, which again is fumed by human greediness.
    Not only the brothers, but also their parents must have gone through tremendous spiritual struggle. I would love to hear the stories shared by the brothers in the future.

  • ThorSigstedt

    I met Fred and Billie in China, as I was part of a youth group that was instigated by the Hinton family.  Freddie, in particular, was with us the whole time (3 1/2 months).  We used to get up early and run together in the countryside outside of Tachia, where we lived for a month.  Freddie was an amazing person for an American to get to know.   He, for instance, practiced extreme frugality; where he used the same toothbrush until it only had a few short bristles left on it!  I remember vividly trying to wash my white shirt and could not get it clean and so he took the time out to go at it with extraordinary vigor; rubbing and scrubbing it until this dingy, hopeless shirt was restored to “whiteness”.  These are things, other than the politics and the language, that few Americans would know much about and he had a lot to teach us because of it.  Billie was younger and less available and spoke almost no English.  Freddie spoke very rudimentary English.  I also remember being in Shanghai where we caused a riot just by being there; as people were rushing past each other and trampling children just to get a look at us as we gazed at the “big character posters” in the park.  We eventually were funnelled onto the main boulevard, stopping traffic and then were able to duck into a store for foreigners that had an iron gate that could be closed.  What an experience and the Engst family was central to it, paving the way for extraordinary adventures, such as Joan insisting that we be able to take a long hike into the deep countryside to visit remote villages on foot.  Sid was a great companion and always full of stories and good humor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/juma45 Joseph Wilkins

    I met Fred back in the 70s and I though he was a pretty cool guy. He didn’t have alot of the hang ups that a lot of Americans Whites had about me being a Black Man in the 70′s

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Zhmz-Shorthouse/100000879819802 Zhmz Shorthouse

    his mother was a nuclear scientist as I remembered, she quited US and went china to seek truth and met his father in Yanan where chinese communist base was.. the parents were very famous in china and I loved the stories of their life… that is about people…

  • casusan

    These are my cousins and I have only met Fred once when he visited my family’s farm (Orville, Sid’s brother, is my father) in central New York probably in the 70′s.   I have lost touch with them and always wondered where Fred was living.  Last I knew he was in Florida?  Now I find this very interesting story about all my cousins.  Where is Karen now?  This is great.

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