Comments on: Guatemalan Peasants Sue Canadian Mining Company Hudbay http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=guatemala-mining-hudbay Global Perspectives for an American Audience Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:49:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: investright http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/comment-page-1/#comment-26710 investright Tue, 04 Dec 2012 15:40:00 +0000 http://www.theworld.org/?p=149813#comment-26710 A very wise man once told me that "What you put up with, you condone."  I find it doubtful that Hudbay was unaware of the conflict in the region. They entered Guatamala mining knowing full well of the corruption and abuse. It is pretty obvious that greed outweighs common sense. I think they knowingly bought into a situation that they believed they could control legally or otherwise. I owned shares in Hudbay when first news of the abuse story broke,and sold them without concern for loss or gain. When common people refuse to own stocks in Canadian companies who are in anyway involved in human rights violations things will be forced to change. Investors do control the purse strings of such companies, and there are certainly many international operations to invest in that have the social conscience to avoid developing in such areas and becoming involved in exsisting conflict.  Countries who want development, but abuse their people would certainly clean up their act if none of these companies would operate within their borders until they prove safe and humane conditions. This is a story of human greed and as usual the common person will pay the price because they lack the resources to do otherwise. A very wise man once told me that “What you put up with, you condone.”  I find it doubtful that Hudbay was unaware of the conflict in the region. They entered Guatamala mining knowing full well of the corruption and abuse. It is pretty obvious that greed outweighs common sense. I think they knowingly bought into a situation that they believed they could control legally or otherwise. I owned shares in Hudbay when first news of the abuse story broke,and sold them without concern for loss or gain. When common people refuse to own stocks in Canadian companies who are in anyway involved in human rights violations things will be forced to change. Investors do control the purse strings of such companies, and there are certainly many international operations to invest in that have the social conscience to avoid developing in such areas and becoming involved in exsisting conflict.  Countries who want development, but abuse their people would certainly clean up their act if none of these companies would operate within their borders until they prove safe and humane conditions. This is a story of human greed and as usual the common person will pay the price because they lack the resources to do otherwise.

]]> By: Upupuepops http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/comment-page-1/#comment-26704 Upupuepops Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:43:00 +0000 http://www.theworld.org/?p=149813#comment-26704  It is my observation from travelling in third world countries that Canadian mining companies (and oil companies) operate with a cleaner than clean image here at home for our consumption, but such is not the case in developing countries.  There are no laws that restrict their behaviour once they are outside of Canada, but our government doesn't mind orchestrating free trade agreements in order to facilitate their easy access to third world countries.  I have seen this kind of despicable mode of operation time and time again and it makes me embarrassed to be a Canadian.  It is my observation from travelling in third world countries that Canadian mining companies (and oil companies) operate with a cleaner than clean image here at home for our consumption, but such is not the case in developing countries.  There are no laws that restrict their behaviour once they are outside of Canada, but our government doesn’t mind orchestrating free trade agreements in order to facilitate their easy access to third world countries.  I have seen this kind of despicable mode of operation time and time again and it makes me embarrassed to be a Canadian.

]]> By: Ms, Biz http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/comment-page-1/#comment-26700 Ms, Biz Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:22:00 +0000 http://www.theworld.org/?p=149813#comment-26700 Canadian courts have no history of being overly willing to hear these types of international complaints, but this time it was put on the docket. It would seem there is a valid enough argument and sufficient evidence for the courts to entertain the allegations. I sincerely hope Angelica sees justice done and I also hope the judgement (if in her favour) acts as some impetus for First-World corporations and nations to be more vigilant in the protection from exploitation, and more nurturing of their Third-World work forces. Canadian courts have no history of being overly willing to hear these types of international complaints, but this time it was put on the docket. It would seem there is a valid enough argument and sufficient evidence for the courts to entertain the allegations. I sincerely hope Angelica sees justice done and I also hope the judgement (if in her favour) acts as some impetus for First-World corporations and nations to be more vigilant in the protection from exploitation, and more nurturing of their Third-World work forces.

]]> By: mijanko http://www.theworld.org/2012/11/guatemala-mining-hudbay/comment-page-1/#comment-26689 mijanko Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:57:00 +0000 http://www.theworld.org/?p=149813#comment-26689 At first I thought the Guatemalans and supporting groups, some of which are Canadian had their hearts in the right places, but to my horror, I now realize they are using the victim scenario to get money. (Probably the Guatemalans are unaware and being used.) Truth is, Hudbay did not even own the Guatemalan company back in 2007 when some of the crimes occurred and they did not employ the man who killed Ich. Hudbay also does not own the company now. Why chase after Hudbay?  What we have is a group of people who are using the victim scenario and collectivism to try to get money. They must see Hudbay as a big, fat turkey drumstick, ripe for the eating and they are admittedly hungry. Guatemala is unfortunately a very poor country and these crimes were allegedly perpetrated by Guatemalans to Guatemalans. A Canadian company in what they admit is a corrupt country is too easy a target as they and its people care. If these terrible things happened to these seemingly nice people, my heart goes out to them. But truly I tell you, Hudbay is not to blame. At first I thought the Guatemalans and supporting groups, some of which are Canadian had their hearts in the right places, but to my horror, I now realize they are using the victim scenario to get money. (Probably the Guatemalans are unaware and being used.)

Truth is, Hudbay did not even own the Guatemalan company back in 2007 when some of the crimes occurred and they did not employ the man who killed Ich. Hudbay also does not own the company now. Why chase after Hudbay? 

What we have is a group of people who are using the victim scenario and collectivism to try to get money. They must see Hudbay as a big, fat turkey drumstick, ripe for the eating and they are admittedly hungry. Guatemala is unfortunately a very poor country and these crimes were allegedly perpetrated by Guatemalans to Guatemalans. A Canadian company in what they admit is a corrupt country is too easy a target as they and its people care.

If these terrible things happened to these seemingly nice people, my heart goes out to them. But truly I tell you, Hudbay is not to blame.

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