Monica Campbell

Monica Campbell

Monica Campbell is The World’s immigration editor/reporter. She is based in San Francisco and has reported for The World from Mexico, Cuba, Portugal and Afghanistan, as well as California.

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Foreign-Born Entrepreneurs Push for a ‘Startup’ Visa

Canadian Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of CloudFlare in San Francisco, supports the movement to create a "startup" visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs. (Credit: Monica Campbell)

Canadian Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of CloudFlare in San Francisco, supports the movement to create a "startup" visa for foreign-born entrepreneurs. (Credit: Monica Campbell)

The United States wants to encourage startups. But foreign-born entrepreneurs say the visa system here makes it extremely difficult for them to do that. They’re pressing for a “startup” visa that would let them stay here and set up shop. The World’s Monica Campbell reports.

A cocktail shaker full of whiskey and juice marks the start of happy hour. But we are not at a bar. This is The Hatchery, a sprawling office space in San Francisco and an incubator for startups. It’s non-stop work here, so a weekly in-house cocktail hour is one perk.

Two entrepreneurs, James Richards, 25, and Michael Smith, 29, take a break. They met in Indonesia, where Richards is from, and now work on their startup called Advisable, an online marketplace for lawyers.

Will it work? It might.

Richards is one of Columbia Law School’s youngest ever graduates. He passed the New York bar exam at age 20. Co-founder Michael Smith is a programming whiz from Belgium. But there’s the snag. While Richards’ legal residency is taken care of, Smith’s visa isn’t certain and it could force him out of the country soon.

“It’s that period in between,” worries Smith. “It’s hard to tell what happens because we work best when we physically work in the same place and because of this visa issue we’re going to be in different parts of the world.”

They know that a wobbly outlook in the startup world is not good.

“In a startup you have to be together,” says Richards. “There’s no way we’d be able to mimic this process remotely, especially in the early stages when every minute is a New York minute.”

Silicon Valley has long pressed for change, and this year could bring a fix. Support is growing for a new startup visa that would let foreign-born entrepreneurs work with fewer hurdles. Talks are on in Washington about safeguarding the visa against fraud and phony companies, and ensuring that it would go to startup founders that look solid and might create jobs.

“I think that the entrepreneur community is very much willing to put some hurdles around it so that this is not just a visa that you can pay a lot of money and get one,” says Emily Lam, with the Silicon Valley Leadership Group, is helping lead the push for the startup visa.

Tech entrepreneurs work into the evening at The Hatchery, a San Francisco hub for new innovators. (Credit: Monica Campbell)

Tech entrepreneurs work into the evening at The Hatchery, a San Francisco hub for new innovators. (Credit: Monica Campbell)

Right now, there is bipartisan support for it. But the startup visa would likely get rolled into comprehensive immigration reform, and that path is unclear.

“Even though the path is still littered with minefields, and at any point in time this whole immigration debate could get blown up by any number of issues, it is still the best opportunity to reform immigration in the last five or 10 years,” says Lam. “It’s going to be a fight to the death until at least August when we hope that before the recess, the bill gets passed.”

Opponents, including some immigrant rights groups, say it is not fair for entrepreneurs to jump ahead of others already in long visa lines. Others say more effort should be made to support US-born innovators.

But advocates for the visa say it creates jobs for immigrants and Americans.

Michelle Zatlyn co-founded CloudFlare, which does hardcore programming to bulletproof websites from hackers. Its clients range from small e-commerce companies to political groups around the world.

Zatlyn ticks off some of the countries where politicians have employed her company’s services. They include Colombia, Ecuador, Pakistan, Turkey, Israel. “In the Middle East, where there is a lot of unrest, where sometimes the fighting that is happening on the ground, you’ll see the fighting go to cyberwars,” she says.

All told, Zatlyn has helped grow the company from 3 to 40 employees, hiring a mix of foreign and US-born engineers. They have filed 25 patents.

But Zatlyn is from Canada. After driving out to California after earning a master’s in business from Harvard, she started to hit a visa wall.

“My first attempt was denied,” Zatlyn says. “At that point, I had three months left.”

First, Zatlyn’s company, like any startup, was judged too small, considered high risk. Plus, as one of the company’s founders she couldn’t sponsor herself for the H-1B skilled-worker visa, one way foreigners try to get around this obstacle. To stay here, Zatlyn actually had to become an employee of the company she founded, demoted to product manager.

“Right now, the United States is making it really hard for entrepreneurs to start companies in the United States and I think that’s a problem for the country,” Zatlyn says.

At the same time, she understands some of the reasoning behind the bureaucratic vetting process. “It’s hard to discern who’s legitimate and who’s not,” Zatlyn says. “I mean, the immigration service is not in the business of picking businesses that are going to win.”

But there is worry that, for the first time, the number of immigrant-founded startups is declining because of the bureaucratic costs and uncertain wait. Startups can’t afford visa limbo. So they’re heading elsewhere, to countries that do more to roll out the red carpet for innovators.

“So Chile, for instance, offers $40,000 per entrepreneur. They’ll actually give you money if you want to go there and start a business,” Lam says. “And Singapore has consistently said that they’ll offset salaries if, you know, want to start new jobs there.”

Yet, there is one workaround that might help keep foreign innovators in the United States, kind of. A company called Blueseed wants to create a floating startup community. It would be a vessel moored in international waters near California. No visa required.

Discussion

10 comments for “Foreign-Born Entrepreneurs Push for a ‘Startup’ Visa”

  • twinsfan1100

    The “start-up” visa will be used to provide visas for executives of Indian H-1B body shops, members of NASSCOM, who have been using the H-1B visa and other work visas as vehicles to transfer US jobs to low cost labor centers in India and Communist China.

  • Marnie Dunsmore

    Canada has its own vibrant start up community, so no need for Michelle to be here.  She can go back to Canada, get her business going and come back when her company is turning enough cash to apply for an EB-5 visa.

    There are no shortage of great startup ideas here in the US.  We do not need to be chasing after the startup idea of every person in the world that thinks they have a hankering to live in San Francisco. (Rather than, say, Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal). 

    What does exist is a lack in the US of investment capital to grow our startups beyond micro businesses and into employers.

    If the Startup Visa or the I-Squared Act pass, this *Canadian/American* will be heading home to Canada.  Salaries and employment prospects have now been so severely depressed by the H-1B visa in the Bay Area, that prospects in Canada look much brighter.  The unemployment rate for engineers in Canada is quite a bit lower than in the Bay Area.

    So we can all do the visa shuffle, as various countries implement policies that discriminate against their own citizens and favor outsiders.  All under the guise of a misguided understanding of what it means to be a global citizen.

    Gee, I always thought that being a global citizen first meant not exploiting others. 

    The fact that Public Radio International continues to support a visa program such as the Startup Visa, which is a deliberate attempt to suppress the wages of American STEM workers, is shameful. 

    • http://twitter.com/zatlyn Michelle Zatlyn

      Marnie:

      Many professionals have done research and your claims are incorrect. There is a lot of research that shows that for every H-1B visa awarded, 5 jobs are created in the United States. Full details here:

      http://www.nfap.com/pdf/080311h1b.pdf

      Having people build companies in the United States, creates jobs, opportunity and wealth for Americans. Whether the entrepreneur is American-born or a foreigner, the United States should continue to build its reputation for being the best place in the world to start a company. 

      Michelle

  • Marnie Dunsmore

    Looking a little more closely at CloudFlare, it does appear to have been funded with $20 million in startup capital and has multiple employees, so it is very unlikely that Ms. Zatlyn would not be able to get residency through one of the *existing* provisions in the EB visa program.

    So no need for Ms. Zatlyn to take up residency offshore at the Blueseed ship. As everyone knows, Blueseed will be for companies that want to flout American wage and benefit laws.  Afterall, who really needs healthcare.

    Also, I noticed that CloudFlare was down for close to an hour on March 3rd due to a router failure.  And of course, it wasn’t CloudFlare’s fault.  The whole ordeal is being blamed on Juniper Networks  I guess all those underpaid network designers at Juniper Networks aren’t holding up their end.

    http://www.crn.com/news/cloud/240149943/juniper-router-failure-blamed-in-cloudflare-outage.htm

    It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with CloudFlares own lack of contingency planning.

    • http://twitter.com/zatlyn Michelle Zatlyn

      Marnie:

      When I was going through my visa issues, we had received $2M in funding. The $20M came later in our company’s history. As I mentioned above, while we had raised money from professional investors in the United States, I did not qualify for an EB visa.

      As for the network outage on March 3, yes we wrote up a full recap of what happened here and what we did about it:

      http://blog.cloudflare.com/todays-outage-post-mortem-82515

      While you never what to deal with these sorts of emergencies, I am proud of how our team handled the situation and how we treated our customers.

      Michelle

  • http://www.facebook.com/virgil.bierschwale Virgil Bierschwale

    Why is it that nobody seems willing to ask the following question?

    Why do you not start up your company in your own country?

    Is it because there is more opportunity here in America?

    If so, will there be opportunity in America when we continue to send more and more jobs offshore?

    After all, isn’t opportunity the same thing as having a large pool of people that can afford and want your products?

    • Marnie Dunsmore

      Virgil,

      Cloudflare’s main customers are financial and advertising companies, so they probably don’t care much about the demise of the middle class. 

      The other example targets attorneys as their customers.  It’s true that many young attorneys are struggling to find work now, but the established base of attorneys still is probably quite oblivious to the macro economy in the US.

      Anyway, the story uses Cloudflare as an example.  However, as I’ve already pointed out, there are already *existing* provisions in the EB visa program for well funded startups to employ foreign born people in their founding team.  It may initially require some paper work, but if these people managed to get advanced degrees, including from Harvard Business School, they surely should be able to handle the EB visa paperwork.

      • http://twitter.com/zatlyn Michelle Zatlyn

        Marnie:

        The EB visa program requires between $500K and $1M in your own resources or investors from a specific country to qualify. $500k to $1M is a lot of money and out of means for most entrepreneurs, including myself. You also need to do more than 50% of trade with your own country to qualify. As a web-based technology company, that is hard to meet.

        Michelle

    • http://twitter.com/zatlyn Michelle Zatlyn

      Virgil:

      There are many reasons why the United States is an attractive place to start a company including: 

      1) ability to hire people that will work at an early-stage company. (In California, lots of people are willing to go to an early stage company. In other parts of the world, people only want to work at a big, brand name company. Without people, you can’t start the company),

      2) access to capital (Silicon Valley is the best in the world), and; 

      3) Ease of doing business (i.e. in the US, there are many co-working spaces that makes it easy to get started and professionals like lawyers and accountants that are willing to work with you early-on even before you can pay full rack rates). 

      Of course, you can start companies in other countries and a lot of people have done so, but the US is still an attractive place. The US should embrace this advantage and fuel it further before other countries catch up. 

      Michelle

  • http://twitter.com/deepakslore Deepak

    We – the United States – are NUTS (repeat NUTS) – if we assume that we will be the only or best act in town to help get startups incubated and going. We are now. The ground is shifting very rapidly and generational experience and skills ecosystems are rapidly forming elsewhere. 

    Our Deficit and our Debt will soon drive tax rates high enough to make us unattractive to outside capital and uncompetitive for home-grown businesses. We must all agree that in a global era – both financial and human capital will flee to where it can find maximum value. Singapore is a great example and so is Canada and Chile. That is both an economic loss and in some cases a national security risk.

    Second – every entrepreneur we bring here – good example is Elon Musk – has a high chance of creating jobs, improving our tax base, bringing earnings into the US (export of goods and services) and reducing friction in our economy. And let’s face it – in high tech – there is more opportunity than there are people. 

    Third we need to distinguish between the correctly much-misused and much-maligned H-1B Nasscom pathway from any Startup Visa. That is a sideshow – and it must be and can be policed very tightly. Remember – there should be some kind of regional or country quotas for this. Perhaps a Board consisting of VCs or industry specialists oversees Startup Visa applications. 
    Hope this helps the debate.